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Post by Helmut83 on Jun 25, 2019 3:25:30 GMT
Argentina beat Qatar, still playing like sh*t but at this point you have to take any victory no matter if pretty or ugly. Nice goal by Agüero by the way. Today Uruguay beat Chile and the the quarterfinals are complete, with no big absences among the final 8:
Brasil - Paraguay Venezuela - Argentina
Colombia - Chile Uruguay - Peru
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Post by Helmut83 on Jul 3, 2019 5:00:43 GMT
Well, we are out of the Copa America. The loss against Brazil was expected given how both teams arrived to the game, but I think Argentina put up a good effort, being better than Brazil for most of the time and being a bit unlucky, with two shots off the posts. No regrets for our boys today. And they might have beaten us, but at least we enjoyed seeing Foyth prove on Coutinho that it is possible to dribble past an opponent without touching the ball and while it lies totally still:
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Post by Timeblue on Jul 3, 2019 7:29:43 GMT
Couts hasn't been the same player since he left Liverpool.
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Post by Helmut83 on Jul 3, 2019 17:33:20 GMT
It's true, he didn't fit well in Barcelona. He played well yesterday though, and had an amazing nutmeg of his own.
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Post by dillwyn on Jul 4, 2019 6:02:47 GMT
Sadly the summer football schedule is getting busier than the festival circuit. so I have not yet seen one single game of Copa America. This tournament (not free to air sadly that i can see) UK media are pushing women's world cup and cricket world cup so there is little main stream coverage.
is your team building of the future or coming down from the past?
Wales with a population of 3.5 Million only has a competitive (in out terms in with a chance) team every 10 years.
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Post by Helmut83 on Jul 4, 2019 6:23:29 GMT
Sadly the summer football schedule is getting busier than the festival circuit. so I have not yet seen one single game of Copa America. This tournament (not free to air sadly that i can see) UK media are pushing women's world cup and cricket world cup so there is little main stream coverage. is your team building of the future or coming down from the past? Wales with a population of 3.5 Million only has a competitive (in out terms in with a chance) team every 10 years. You might not have missed much, dillwyn. I'm a fan of Copa America, many of our tournaments have been great and thoroughly entertaining in the past, with memorable games. However, this one is the worst I can remember, by far. And the best it had to offer might have already happened, with Brazil v Argentina. The final between Brazil and Peru promises to be the most one-sided final of Copa America in decades, and I really can't imagine Peru doing any damage to Brazil. Argentina is supposed to be building for the future, but the federation (AFA) is such a mess that they hired a coach with no experience, resumee or idea of what he's doing, so we are just wasting time. He tries and tries tons of player, whom of course feel insecure with him, there is no system nor an idea on what kind of game we play, and to make matters worse the new generation is well below the historical average in terms of talent. I'm not optimistic about the future and I wouldn't even be surprised if we don't qualify for the next WC. Hey, Uruguay has the same population as Wales (3,5 million) and the smallest population in the South American continent by far, and they have won 15 Copas America, the most any country has won (and they are competing against the likes of Brazil who have 210 million people, 70 times as many as Uruguay). And not just that, they are usually among the best teams in the continent and regularly qualify for World Cups. So even with a small population, there can be hope in football (Iceland, another example). Of course, as opposed to Uruguay which is all football, Wales has rugby, which takes away a big amount of talented athletes, leaving less for football.
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Post by dillwyn on Jul 4, 2019 10:02:38 GMT
There is an element of that but influence of Rugby is very much in decline, we would have hoped it would have translate to a better football team and manager by now...sadly no
i did have a question about scotlands influence on south american football ...is this true? have you ever come across this history
....https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexander_Watson_Hutton
appears scottish people had an influence in Brazil too
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Post by Buttler on Jul 4, 2019 14:45:04 GMT
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Post by Helmut83 on Jul 4, 2019 19:20:15 GMT
i did have a question about scotlands influence on south american football ...is this true? have you ever come across this history ....https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexander_Watson_Hutton Yes, it's true! I have heard about him, and Alumni is a mythical club in Argentine football history, having dominated the amateur era. appears scottish people had an influence in Brazil too You would never have guessed, judging by the technique and ability of ones and others. TV advertisements and commentators here promote the Scottish league as "the roughest league in the world", meaning that it's very physical -sometimes with some strong feet in excess- and a bit lacking in the technique department. Yes, it is a well known fact that British people were the impulsors of football in this region of the planet. The first football clubs in Argentina, Uruguay and Brasil were all founded by British people in the late 19th Century. Some still exist and compete. If you check out the names of Argentine clubs you'll find River Plate, Newell's Old Boys, Racing Club, Banfield, All Boys, Douglas Haig, Arsenal, Midland, Temperley, Claypole and lots of "Juniors" (my team for example, Boca Juniors) and "Athletic Club". Then during the first decades of the 20th it caught like fire among other immigrating comunities and next thin you knew Argentina, Uruguay and Brazil were major powerhouses in the sport. Then it expanded west towards the other South American countries. It's strange because we received less British influx than, for example, the USA, but the ones who came here brought football with them, while they didn't do the same in USA.
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Post by Helmut83 on Jul 4, 2019 19:39:30 GMT
Look, I'm not someone who likes to cry when I've been defeated, but given that you brought up the subject, I'm with the AFA here. There were two VERY clear (I'd say undisputable) penalties in Argentina's favour and none of them were reviewed by VAR! Why? The other day Uruguay had 3 goals cancelled by VAR and it cost them the elmination, why now all of a sudden they weren't willing to use VAR for anything? What is it there for then? Heck, the second penalty was not even a common foul, it was a dire agression, with Artur measuring Otamendi and then throwing his elbow straight to his neck. In my opinion it was not just a penalty but also a red card, but all of a sudden VAR was nowhere to be seen. And the first penalty for Argentina (against Agüero) ended up in Brazil's second goal. Again, I don't like to cry but what was this if not unfair treatment for one of the teams?
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Post by dillwyn on Jul 4, 2019 19:56:18 GMT
nailed on penalties ... you were cheated out it
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Post by Buttler on Jul 26, 2019 13:08:25 GMT
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Post by Helmut83 on Jul 27, 2019 6:54:53 GMT
Buttler : you have no idea the revolution that De Rossi's signing and presence caused here in Argentina, among Boca fans mainly but not just limited to that. You put sports channels and there's a 50% chance that they are talking about De Rossi. And to a certain extent, it is understandable because of the curiosity element: very few Europeans have ever played in Argentina, the last one probably being a Bulgarian guy who played for Newell's in the '90s (and excepting the frenchman David Trezeguet who was raised in Argentina). Now, De Rossi putting aside economic profits to play in a renowed team with a famous stadium but very little money compared to Europe and other markets has a romanticism to it that you don't get to see in nowadays' football world. That's what I think is causing this revolution. I'm eager to see if he can yield on the field. He's a top quality player, but the Argentine football has it's intricacies and I'd think it will take him some time to adapt. I hope to get to see him at the stadium soon.
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Post by Helmut83 on Aug 14, 2019 6:55:48 GMT
Two things to comment: 1) A national football hero is gone, as José Luis "Tata" Brown passed away yesterday because of a neurodegenerative illness: He was a very reliable central defender and world champion in 1986. He scored the first goal in that World Cup final against Germany, one of the most important in Argentine history, and played part of the second half with his arm broken. 2) Buttler, first game of Daniele De Rossi at Boca, and this happens: It seemed scripted. What a pity that Boca is taylor-made for ruining great moments and then managed to get tied and lose on penalties what should have been an easy win.
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Post by Buttler on Aug 14, 2019 15:39:52 GMT
2) Buttler , first game of Daniele De Rossi at Boca, and this happens: It seemed scripted. What a pity that Boca is taylor-made for ruining great moments and then managed to get tied and lose on penalties what should have been an easy win. Great! He's a real warrior, and I'm really happy for him.
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