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Post by lawrev on Sept 19, 2023 18:15:19 GMT
The Rolling Stones are one band that has been releasing from their archives official live album releases, going back to gigs in the 1970s. You hear them raw, and not too polished by today's standards. I will always take raw versions of official album songs, because rock n roll was originally designed to be raw. Jeff's perfectionist tendencies started making a noticeable appearance by the time of OTTB, and continued unabated/assisted by technology. I remember the words of one U.S. concert review during the Time Tour - that if ELO didn't watch it, they would be like cheese whiz coming out of a can.
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Post by ShardEnder on Nov 23, 2023 1:26:28 GMT
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Post by lawrev on Nov 23, 2023 10:34:31 GMT
This is curious - the Idle Race live. I don't think I've heard Jeff Lynne say *ever* that the Idle Race was a great live act. The band to my knowledge has never played live with Jeff after he left them for the Move, so I'm assuming this is some sort of cash grab. Not necessarily with Jeff's blessing.
Thoughts?
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Post by ShardEnder on Nov 23, 2023 14:51:37 GMT
Incredibly, there isn't even any footage of Jeff with The Idle Race, though I know of one pro-shot TV appearance from 1971 that I'll politely describe as an interesting curio. In terms of the legality of this latest release, I'm confident that it's another "grey area" title, and we'll likely see a lot more of these for ELO and related acts going forward. The problem is that so much of what featured on that previous disc can't possibly have fallen into public domain, as several tracks were either just the original album versions or alternate mixes of those with some elements - usually vocals - mixed out to make room for parts actually being recorded live in the studio. As with recent similar Move compilations that have flooded the market, these rely heavily on covers, and for all the talk of remastered sound (even though they'll likely be using readily available sources) or detailed liner notes, the real question is whether publishers/artists are being properly compensated. I've been involved with helping run an independent netlabel for just over a year, so I'm reluctant to say anything too disparaging about any group clearly trying its best to succeed, but there's no way of denying it. Much like the pair of compilations that Eagle Records issued in 1999, these are undeniably cash grabs to some extent, and the reason this keeps happening is because those entrusted with being actual custodians of Jeff's archive have once again dropped the ball, providing nothing new for this ever-hungry market. I'm sure they're going to find an audience and keep catering to this, but I'd much rather wait to endorse an official alternative that has Jeff going on record to give his approval, despite it typically meaning we get quality over quantity.
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Post by lawrev on Nov 23, 2023 16:03:31 GMT
Incredibly, there isn't even any footage of Jeff with The Idle Race, though I know of one pro-shot TV appearance from 1971 that I'll politely describe as an interesting curio. In terms of the legality of this latest release, I'm confident that it's another "grey area" title, and we'll likely see a lot more of these for ELO and related acts going forward. The problem is that so much of what featured on that previous disc can't possibly have fallen into public domain, as several tracks were either just the original album versions or alternate mixes of those with some elements - usually vocals - mixed out to make room for parts actually being recorded live in the studio. As with recent similar Move compilations that have flooded the market, these rely heavily on covers, and for all the talk of remastered sound (even though they'll likely be using readily available sources) or detailed liner notes, the real question is whether publishers/artists are being properly compensated. I've been involved with helping run an independent netlabel for just over a year, so I'm reluctant to say anything too disparaging about any group clearly trying its best to succeed, but there's no way of denying it. Much like the pair of compilations that Eagle Records issued in 1999, these are undeniably cash grabs to some extent, and the reason this keeps happening is because those entrusted with being actual custodians of Jeff's archive have once again dropped the ball, providing nothing new for this ever-hungry market. I'm sure they're going to find an audience and keep catering to this, but I'd much rather wait to endorse an official alternative that has Jeff going on record to give his approval, despite it typically meaning we get quality over quantity. I suspected, but did not say, that this is a grey market recording. Why wouldn't Jeff protect his legacy before the Move? Maybe he feels the costs are higher than the benefits.
His time with the Idle Race is one topic I would like for him to speak at length about because it avoids all the controversial questions connected with ELO/ELO Part II etc.
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Post by janne on Nov 24, 2023 16:57:14 GMT
This is curious - the Idle Race live. I don't think I've heard Jeff Lynne say *ever* that the Idle Race was a great live act. The band to my knowledge has never played live with Jeff after he left them for the Move, so I'm assuming this is some sort of cash grab. Not necessarily with Jeff's blessing.
Thoughts? Idle Race "live on air" is a bit different than a regular live concert, in my book. Almost like a mix between a studio recording and a "proper" live performance. The radio sessions are a big source of grey area releases for many bands.
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