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Post by radaget on Jun 6, 2016 19:10:58 GMT
I was half way through writing the title of this thread when I realised how disappointed people would be when they found out what it was actually about.
Nope, this is not about bonus tracks from AITU. Sorry. (But I wonder if there are any).
I'm sat having a beer thinking abiut SURRENDER.
Do you believe (or know) that Surrender was actually written around the time of A New World Record? That's where it's supposed to come from I think??
To me it sounds nothing like the material Jeff was writing at that time. Far too modern / catchy and commercial. As if from the 80's or more recently.
Any thoughts or inside knowledge?
Thanks Tim
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Post by starlight on Jun 6, 2016 19:40:39 GMT
doesn't sound like ANWR but its recorded in or around 2006 so the 'sound' reflects that period...no violins etc...all played by JL not the band
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Post by queenofthehours on Jun 7, 2016 18:50:07 GMT
I love 'Surrender', in fact it's my favourite bonus track maybe even one of my favourite ELO tracks altogether. It doesn't should like ANWR however, nor does it sound like any other ELO track. Perhaps that's why I like it so. It shows that Jeff can achieve any sound he wants to.
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Post by radaget on Jun 7, 2016 20:08:45 GMT
I agree about the production and the year he actually recorded it. It was never going to have the same sonic character of ANWR.
But just the song itself. It's too commercial to be from around that time so I was wondering if there's any record of it actually being written in 1976.
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Post by BSJ on Jun 7, 2016 20:45:51 GMT
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takemeonandon83
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Hi can anyone help me please is there a uk epic reissue of on the third day epc4607281 on lp??
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Post by takemeonandon83 on Jun 8, 2016 12:21:04 GMT
surrender great track sounds very george harrison cloud 9 era to me.it was nice to see surrender on 7" vinyl hence a promo.
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takemeonandon83
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Hi can anyone help me please is there a uk epic reissue of on the third day epc4607281 on lp??
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Post by takemeonandon83 on Jun 8, 2016 12:23:29 GMT
radaget wheres our beer? lol
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Post by erchie on Jun 8, 2016 13:05:01 GMT
Rob Caiger has confirmed that all four core members appear on Surrender (Jeff, Bev, Richard and Kelly) and that the original recording is from 1976. Obviously Jeff worked on it quite a bit (verses 1 and 3 are cut-and-pasted), but Kelly's backing vocals are still recognisable.
Latitude 88 North, on the other hand, is an all new recording from the early 2000's.
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Post by orangefiltersky on Jun 8, 2016 14:19:12 GMT
Rob Caiger has confirmed that all four core members appear on Surrender (Jeff, Bev, Richard and Kelly) and that the original recording is from 1976. Obviously Jeff worked on it quite a bit (verses 1 and 3 are cut-and-pasted), but Kelly's backing vocals are still recognisable. Latitude 88 North, on the other hand, is an all new recording from the early 2000's. Latitude wasn`t an "all new recording" at all, as far as I know. JL used the old recordings from 1977, but added a few things and mixed it for the first time properly for the new edition of OOTB. I guess the vocals (apart from the newly recorded "It`s like" just before the chorus), strings, bass and drums are from the old sessions. But all the electric guitars sound rather new to my ear. JL didn`t play in that style in the 70es. They sound rather like "Zoom". It`d be great if someone has definitive knowledge about the birth of this song.
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Post by queenofthehours on Jun 8, 2016 16:07:45 GMT
'Surrender' sounds like ELO. It sound like Jeff. But it doesn't sound like any ELO album so that must be why it's an "extra". But the song DOES sound like one of Jeff's tracks for someone else (George/Roy) and I think it does sound like something the Idle Race would have performed had their lead singer not changed groups. I like to think of it as just a little oddity.
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Post by 88keys on Jun 8, 2016 18:56:04 GMT
Latitude 88 North is so much better than Surrender.
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Post by radaget on Jun 8, 2016 19:55:37 GMT
Great info and links in this thread. Thanks.
I struggle to hear anyone other than Jeff in it to be honest. Will have to give it a detailed listen on the monitors / headphones.
Beer anyone? Certainly fabulous beer garden weather. First round on me.
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Post by unomusette on Jun 8, 2016 20:07:32 GMT
*arrives at top speed* Mine's a large one, cheers radaget! Any crisps?
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Post by BSJ on Jun 8, 2016 20:56:06 GMT
BSJ's world famous hot-doggies, burnt just the way you want 'em!
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Post by ShardEnder on Jun 8, 2016 20:56:18 GMT
Jeff's usual method for producing a demo is to record a single verse and chorus which he'll then use as the base for a song when he revists this later in the studio with the rest of the band. If my source is correct, Latitude 88 North never went beyond the initial demo stage, while the core group did appear on Surrender, though both are clearly extended in their finished forms by copying and pasting shorter sections, so it's possible that Surrender wasn't recorded as a demo first, but rather created during studio sessions (as happened with quite a few other tracks I could think of, such as Don't Bring Me Down to name just one example). I certainly don't hear Kelly on Surrender, but there are a few elements throughout Latitude 88 North that are characteristic of Richard's style, not to mention he suggested the slight addition to the chorus lyric that changed it from being a travelogue to something far more commercial. I've also read that Jeff originally tried recording Latitude 88 North with the same placeholder lyrics about a rocker named Johnny later recycled for an interim rewrite of Motor Factory, which eventually became Rock 'N' Roll Is King.
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