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Post by queenofthehours on Mar 20, 2024 19:10:45 GMT
I'm thinking just because it purports to be a "final tour" it doesn't necessarily mean it will be Jeff's final concert.
Maybe if the current ELO tours weren't as ambitious as they are Jeff wouldn't feel the need to make anything "final".
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Post by josh on Mar 20, 2024 19:18:51 GMT
I understand the hesitation. I fully expect to see the exact same show in October at the Forum as I saw on the 2018 and 2019 tours.
The main reason I continue to go is because being based in LA, the shows were all convenient and in short driving distance from home (the Hollywood Bowl in 2016, the Forum in 2018, Honda Center Anaheim in 2019, and VetsAid San Diego in 2023).
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Post by lawrev on Mar 20, 2024 19:25:42 GMT
I'm not sure I want to go. There are two concert dates within driving distance (Atlanta: 6 hrs, and DC : 5 hours) and I have relatives I could stay with in both cities. I prefer DC, but a mid- week, out of town concert once school is in session is not a good thing. But even the idea of going to Atlanta for a Saturday show does not leave me feeling enthused, especially at those prices, and especially after I traveled out of town to see basically the same show (fun as it was) in 2018 (Philly) and 2019 (Atlanta). I'm going to see EWF and Chicago together, about 30 minutes from my home, for about $60 a ticket in August. It would have been even cheaper if I had waited for the Groupon sale. I don't think there will be a Groupon for this last ELO tour, though. Jury's still out on whether I 'll go. I can't help it if I'm getting old, cheap and spoiled. As my Europeans colleagues say when they come to America, "boy is your country big!" So I feel your pain in looking at venues, dates, and then deciding to take long car rides. That is a hard choice, since this last JLELO tour is not a summer tour, when schedules are more flexible, but a fall tour.
For Americans and a certain amount of Europeans, having a residency in Vegas for 10 - 20 dates would have made more sense. The band would be in one location the whole time, minimizing travel costs. It is an easy drive from cities like LA, San Diego, Phoenix, Alberquerque, Tucson, Palm Springs, and for the rest of the country, many plane flights to LAS some of which are reasonable and lots of hotels (some reasonably priced) and diversions, blah blah blah. And if necessary, for the East Coast crowd, a half dozen shows in that corridor to cover anyone who couldn't make the Vegas dates. But maybe in an alternative universe.....
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Post by BIuebird on Mar 20, 2024 19:58:01 GMT
Before the 2020 UK/Europe tour, which of course had to be canceled because of Covid, I believe that a set list change had been hinted. It would be nice if that were still the case! I would love to hear a few different tunes, including some from From Out of Nowhere. Of course, I will be happy just to be there, but one can hope!
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Post by Timeblue on Mar 20, 2024 20:21:27 GMT
I think everyone would be going IF..... we knew that this tour would have a completely different set list or even 75% different would be good but we all know that it will be another greatest hits tour (maybe a couple from the rumoured new album)
Please Jeff just mix it up a little more please,you have a vast back catalogue to choose from. Here's hoping.....
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Post by unomusette on Mar 20, 2024 21:02:00 GMT
I'd probably give even a UK date a miss if the setlist isn't going to change and the prices are interglactic. Just been looking at Stevie Nicks fans being appalled by the daft prices she's charging, and a lot of them are deciding not to go at all. Which might become much more the general reaction if this high pricing malarky carries on.
I think it's a common moan of diehard fans when a band gets successful and then mostly plays the hits to please a big crowd of mostly casual listeners. It certainly is with Muse. But they have gotten around that now and then by playing some one-off shows in small venues, often for charity, where some proper deep cuts are wheeled out. One of them, we could even vote for the setlist and it was probably my best gig ever as it was totally packed with rarities. There's always the hope that Jeff might do the same in future, maybe not under the JLELO banner but just as himself. Tickets would of course be like gold dust but probably only the rabid fans would be prepared to fight for them.
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Post by Grroosss on Mar 20, 2024 21:04:57 GMT
Hoping for a few different songs... but I’m expecting to see pretty much the same setlist as I saw in 2019. I’m going anyway. I was surprised that the announcement was for a tour instead of a new album, I figured Jeff had called touring quits after 2020 fell through. So it’s nice to have the chance to see him one last time, even if it’s just the hits. I know I’m still going to enjoy it, and I know I’d end up regretting it if I was given that chance and didn’t go.
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Post by Timeblue on Mar 20, 2024 22:06:49 GMT
I'd probably give even a UK date a miss if the setlist isn't going to change and the prices are interglactic. Just been looking at Stevie Nicks fans being appalled by the daft prices she's charging, and a lot of them are deciding not to go at all. Which might become much more the general reaction if this high pricing malarky carries on. I think it's a common moan of diehard fans when a band gets successful and then mostly plays the hits to please a big crowd of mostly casual listeners. It certainly is with Muse. But they have gotten around that now and then by playing some one-off shows in small venues, often for charity, where some proper deep cuts are wheeled out. One of them, we could even vote for the setlist and it was probably my best gig ever as it was totally packed with rarities. There's always the hope that Jeff might do the same in future, maybe not under the JLELO banner but just as himself. Tickets would of course be like gold dust but probably only the rabid fans would be prepared to fight for them. When I saw David Bowies greatest hits tour in 1990,he did a similar thing where fans could vote in the NME I think for certain songs and the most voted songs he sang. Trouble with that though was the fact that fans voted in their 1000s for Laughing Gnome (he refused to sing it) But yeah, it would be great if Jeff would do that...
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Post by Grroosss on Mar 21, 2024 0:28:02 GMT
Finally. What cluster you know what. For Boston, the ticketmaster kept timing out or having an error both on the app which i quickly gave up on, and on desktop on my partner's account . the success was persistence. I still dont get the "you're leaving a seat " alone nonsense that prevented easy selection of theoretically availble seats . So for whomever it may help KEEP trying, you may get lucky and have it finally process. I never had an experience this bad. Even Genesis pre-sale which failed totally in 2007 at least was able to be worked around by gold Amex. This is a nightmare. I do have tickets finally for boston . almost broke some things in frustration. good luck eveyone. I logged in about 15 minutes after the presale opened, was only in the queue for a moment, had no issues, and still had a few choices for the better seats in the price range that I would've been willing to pay for. After the fiasco that buying Sparks tickets was last year... lottery-style "best" seats when the presale first started and only being able to buy seats in multiples of 2, which later opened to being able to select your own seats in better locations... it's not worth the hassle. Unless you're truly desperate to get in the very front rows. But good luck with that, many of those seats seem to be reserved for VIP at most venues these days and you have to pay out the nose for them as is the case with this tour. And trying to beat the scalpers for the ones that aren't, whole swathes of those front rows are already up on the resale sites.
Yknow, sometimes I'm glad I'm not a fan of artists that are super popular nowadays, I can't even imagine how horrendous it must be to try to get tickets for those shows. It's a tragedy that presales have become so nightmarish for the hardcore fans who they were designed to benefit in the first place.
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Post by bluedemon25 on Mar 21, 2024 0:48:05 GMT
Yeah I'm getting the impression since I don't do this very often anymore and I've cut down on concert going that it's very different from what I'm used to and so I'm getting some surprises in the unpleasant experience of trying to get seats I'd be happy with. It was never this difficult in the past for me at least with few exceptions. I gather from when I read that all the snafu issues I encountered at least for the Boston market started to smooth out sometime later because it sounds like many had an easier experience.
It was nerve-racking. I never got to see him so this is my one and only chance and I very badly wanted to see him up close. I can't say that I plan to attend many more concerts both because of cost and this unpleasant obtaining tickets experience.
If there's something I'm interested in a bit more casually though I'll try to keep in mind what seems to be the case from what people are reporting here and elsewhere that give me some time to mellow out it might still be good tickets left without all the craziness.
I am glad for you and others it was much less of a hassle. I don't want to do this kind of thing again. At least I'll get to see him finally.
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Post by LoserGoneWild on Mar 21, 2024 14:12:15 GMT
Re set lists.
While Jeff/ELO has a legion of die-hard fans like us, the fact is we will still only be in a minority at the gigs. At the end of the day most of those present will be folk who like ELO but mainly know the hits and maybe the odd deep cut that received some radio play. But that’s it. So it will be primarily the hits. But isn’t that what most bands do?
Yes, Jeff has a huge back catalogue but only about 20-30 of them hit the charts or had regular airplay, so they’ll be the ones that get played. Shock! Horror! Who knew?
Those pleading for a show with loads of deep cuts - it’s not going to happen. But you have a choice. Don’t go.
Personally, I love the hits as well. They’re what got me into ELO in the first place. And yes, a lot of the deeper cuts are amongst my favorite songs. But I wouldn’t be expecting him to play Laredo Tornado, Big Wheels or 21st Century Man. And if he did play more deep cuts which ones does he play? Everyone has different favorites.
But Jeff has a formula at the live shows that works, puts bums on seats and earns him good reviews. And then puts more bums on seats. He ain’t going to move away from that because some grouch on the internet stamps their feet because he won’t play their favourite album track. I even saw one person moaning about Mr Blue Sky always being on the set list! For Heaven’s sake!! It’s arguably ELO’s biggest and most recognized song and it’s a classic. And it always brings the house down!! It HAS to be on the play list and always works best as the show closer.
But then I love Jeff to bits and would probably pay to hear him sing the telephone directory. Of course he’ll sing mainly the hits. And that’s fine with me. Sure I’d like to hear songs added like Confusion, Horace et al. But whatever he plays is fine with me as I’ll just enjoy the gig. So here’s hoping a UK tour is announced in the not too distant future. If it is I’ll be poised with my fingers on my touch screen ready to book the tickets.
For those going to the US gigs. Enjoy the show and have a great time. Deep cuts or no deep cuts.
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Post by whoman on Mar 21, 2024 14:28:18 GMT
If there are Birmingham dates we might go again. Saw him in 2016 from miles back then splashed out on tickets near the front for 2020… well we know what happened next.
Regarding set lists, I was lucky and blessed to see Kate Bush in 2014. There was no announcement of set list before hand, with journo’s live tweeting what was played on the first night. Reactions in general were “What! No Wuthering Heights!!” etc. but to the thousands of fans that went it was extraordinary, Kate playing two albums in more-or-less their entirety. I can’t see Jeff doing that and I wouldn’t want him to, but a rejigged list would be great. After all, if these are his last concerts, don’t you want to hear all the bangers one more time!
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Post by Chippa on Mar 21, 2024 14:45:59 GMT
Re set lists. While Jeff/ELO has a legion of die-hard fans like us, the fact is we will still only be in a minority at the gigs. At the end of the day most of those present will be folk who like ELO but mainly know the hits and maybe the odd deep cut that received some radio play. But that’s it. So it will be primarily the hits. But isn’t that what most bands do? Yes, Jeff has a huge back catalogue but only about 20-30 of them hit the charts or had regular airplay, so they’ll be the ones that get played. Shock! Horror! Who knew? Those pleading for a show with loads of deep cuts - it’s not going to happen. But you have a choice. Don’t go. I agree 100%. A lot of these shows draw the more casual fans who remember the big hits from their teen years. They aren't exactly clamoring for Daybreaker, Jungle, or Rain Is Falling. In fact, watch some of the footage from the last US tour and you'll see a polite reaction to Wild West Hero, but nothing like the reaction to the big hits. Why? Because that particular song wasn't a hit single in the states. I'm not even sure why Jeff decided to included it. But hey, don't give up hope. Maybe he'll throw us hardcore fans a bone and bust out Kuiama, while the rest of the crowd heads to the bathroom or goes to grab another overpriced beer.
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Post by lawrev on Mar 21, 2024 15:00:32 GMT
Jeff could satisfy the occasional and die hard fan bases by doing a couple gigs like:
1. OTTB in its entirety (70 minutes) 2. Short intermission (15 minutes) 3. Other Greatest Hits (30 minutes)
Since many fans and critics call OTTB Jeff's magnum opus, why not play all of it? Certainly the technology supports such a move. And everyone gets to hear songs that have never been played live, or not played since 1978.
The Vegas Sphere would be the great location to play OTTB in its entirety.
Perhaps, though, one can only dream of such an event. I'd go anywhere to hear OTTB in its entirety. Properly pushed and marketed, you could get a good portion of the casual base to attend such a unique experience.
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Post by LoserGoneWild on Mar 21, 2024 15:48:09 GMT
If there are Birmingham dates we might go again. Saw him in 2016 from miles back then splashed out on tickets near the front for 2020… well we know what happened next. Regarding set lists, I was lucky and blessed to see Kate Bush in 2014. There was no announcement of set list before hand, with journo’s live tweeting what was played on the first night. Reactions in general were “What! No Wuthering Heights!!” etc. but to the thousands of fans that went it was extraordinary, Kate playing two albums in more-or-less their entirety. I can’t see Jeff doing that and I wouldn’t want him to, but a rejigged list would be great. After all, if these are his last concerts, don’t you want to hear all the bangers one more time! You hit the nail on the head Whoman. I want to hear the bangers!! I suspect most do to be fair. Also I don’t think it’s accurate to say the set lists have always been the same. The 2017 tour was different to 2016 which again was a lot different to the come back gig at Hyde Park. And there was a different running order. The 2018 tour was pretty much a continuation of the 2017 tour.
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