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Post by Timeblue on Nov 14, 2019 9:41:24 GMT
Certain other women on here would no doubt ask about 'trousering'......
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Post by BIuebird on Nov 14, 2019 14:04:57 GMT
jackpunch I think I'd rather not know the answer to that last question... StrangeMagic Maybe this question has been answered before, or perhaps it's common knowledge but I'm ignorant... But I was wondering, since Jeff doesn't read music, does he have someone help him transcribe the sheet music for his new material for the musicians he plays with live? I was especially thinking of the string players. Or do they play it by ear, too? If you think it's a dumb question, you don't have to ask. Grroosss I was curious about that too, and had wanted to ask if you had gotten a chance to ask Jeff about that lyric when you met him. "Chicane" is such an unusual, oddly specific word (at least to me, I had to look it up when I first read the lyric sheet), that it makes me wonder. Why would they pick that word to put on the lyric sheet if it wasn't what he wrote? Perhaps it was one of those things like "Bruce," where he wrote "chicane" but all of us thought it was "she came," so he just started singing it that way?
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Post by tremblinwilbury on Nov 14, 2019 15:30:53 GMT
I have a feeling that deliberate mistakes are added to album lyrics from time to time. Perhaps it's an intellectual property thing, for the publishers to more easily identify copies of lyrics. Going off (slightly) on a tangent... September 2014. Hyde Park. I watched this live on the 'red button'. In Showdown Jeff sang "It's a real submarine". No doubt about it. Watching the concert again on BBC4 I switched the subtitles on... "It's unreal, the suffering..." Maybe it's Jeff - taking the mickey out of us
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Post by Helmut83 on Nov 14, 2019 17:33:15 GMT
Very true, Helmut83.
I still don't like Strange Magic
Not that you are supposed to, it wasn't me giving you stick over not liking it anyway. I attended the 26th, so we didn't coincide. Weren't "Rockaria", "Wild West Hero" and "Steppin' out" bit of surprises too?
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Post by Helmut83 on Nov 14, 2019 17:34:26 GMT
TO EACH THEIR OWN and all that. ...and all that. We get it.
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Post by clouds on Nov 15, 2019 1:17:04 GMT
I've just logged on here and I'm sure i read someone doesn't like Strange Magic?? Very weird thing to say on an ELO board!!
Anyway, my quick bit of input on the new album. It's not like the old ELO but it's just 'Lovely'. The genius bits are 2 minutes on 'Losing You' absolutely incredible!! And 1.38 on Sci Fi Woman xx
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Post by eloneen on Nov 15, 2019 1:32:42 GMT
I'm ambivalent about the new album: It feels uneven to me (as do many albums), but much better than AITU, in my opinion. It was good to hear something new from JL. It doesn't have much of a "Wow!" factor overall for me, but it has its high points, it was a worthwhile purchase and a mostly pleasant listen, but not among ELO's greatest albums.
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Post by Helmut83 on Nov 15, 2019 3:00:28 GMT
I've just logged on here and I'm sure i read someone doesn't like Strange Magic?? Very weird thing to say on an ELO board!! I like "Strange Magic", but I'm totally behind anyone who doesn't like it -be it tremblinwilbury or whoever else- or who doesn't like any of the big hits -or any other song for that matter-. I think that more important than coinciding with other users in the like or dislike for this or that song is keeping the right of expression intact. We have to stop with this thing that some songs are sacred cows which no one can even dare to aim at, let alone shoot, and that if you don't like them you are less of an ELO fan or a weird one. Sometimes some fans, emboldened by knowing themselves part of a majority, question other fans' tastes whenever they express their dislike or indifference for one of these "sacred cows" in what I think is an attempt to, protected by numbers, disuade others from expressing minoritarian opinions. Then people shy away from saying it loud and clear when they don't like a certain song which is held in great consideration by a majority of fans. Let's have in mind few things are more subjective than art and music is a way of art. You can think that a song is the greatest masterpiece ever and the next guy can think it's garbage. That's how different points of view about music can be, even coming from two big fans of the same band, so why not chill out and accept that every ELO fan has the right to dislike whichever ELO song and to express it openly, no matter how much that song means to you and the rest of the ELO fandom? Plus, as opposed to what happens with politics, other people liking or disliking a song doesn't have implications over your life, so that's one less reason to get annoyed at that.
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Post by Helmut83 on Nov 15, 2019 3:01:39 GMT
I'm ambivalent about the new album: It feels uneven to me (as do many albums), but much better than AITU, in my opinion. It was good to hear something new from JL. It doesn't have much of a "Wow!" factor overall for me, but it has its high points, it was a worthwhile purchase and a mostly pleasant listen, but not among ELO's greatest albums. I have a very, very similar opinion. Better than AITU without a doubt, worth listening and buying, but far from mindblowing. I can see myself in the future playing it from time to time, but not as often as I play OOTB, ANWR, "Discovery" or "Time", for example.
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Post by denver on Nov 15, 2019 4:38:09 GMT
After listening to From Out Of Nowhere for 2 weeks, and comparatively going back to Alone In The Universe, it is a much better collection of songs to me. The thing that makes music great is the memories associated with it, I, myself am in a better place than I was in 2015, when AITU was released, therefore, I consider this a much better album. While not Jeffs best work,it is head and shoulders above anything Taylor, Ariana, or Beyonce could ever put out. Imagine, using real instruments that actually have to be played and singing an actual melody!
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Post by tremblinwilbury on Nov 15, 2019 8:17:31 GMT
FOON has been in my car stereo non-stop since its release. I like it - a lot. That doesn't mean that I prefer it to other ELO stuff - it's just that it's what I want to listen to at the moment. My moods change. I constantly remind myself that Jeff circa 2019 isn't the same Jeff from 1977 (mid to late seventies, to be more precise ) Him dropping strings means I can concentrate on what he has to 'say'. And, to be honest, his vocals on Losing You and Songbird are just beautiful. Getting back to moods - I'm often in a very raw, more direct mood... early ELO or Thin Lizzy for me. At other times I like the big (over) produced sound... mid-seventies, or the Les Miserable live recording from Manchester in 2010. More reflective... Zoom, FOON or Hello My Old Friend. Something for every mood.
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Post by Grroosss on Nov 15, 2019 8:19:25 GMT
No, FOON may not be a mindblowing or groundbreaking album... but then, you can't exactly say that there's ANY groundbreaking popular music being put out at the moment, so I certainly wouldn't be expecting it from a 71-year-old! Not that it matters to me--"not groundbreaking" doesn't mean "not good", and as stated above, FOON is miles, miles better than the garbage that the majority of my contemporaries listen to and actually seem to... enjoy? *shudder*
I'm still not sure where I'd rank FOON compared to all the other ELO albums, but the one thing I am sure of is that I like it. A lot. It's always going to be a bit special to me just since it's the only album that can be my "Discovery" or "A New World Record" or "Time" or whatever was THE album for those of you who were around back in the day and can remember rushing out to the record store to get it when it came out. So maybe that influences my opinion of FOON a bit, but even without that, I think that it's a very solid album--indicated by the fact that I don't even know where to start with trying to rank my favorite songs on the album because I love them all. I fell in love with From Out of Nowhere and Time of Our Life from the first notes I heard on Radio 2; some of the other songs were growers (nothing wrong with that, though... practically the entire first 3 albums were growers for me, and most of Secret Messages, and Mission, and Yours Truly 2095, and Across the Border... heck, even The Diary of Horace Wimp ) but there's at least one bit in each of them that really makes the song for me.
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Post by Timeblue on Nov 15, 2019 8:37:08 GMT
Actually,on the Rolling Stone top 200 albums chart, FOON debuted at number 25. That's why I kinda thought it would place in a similar spot with Billboard, but obviously their methodology is pretty different.
The US press tour hasn't properly begun. I'm going to a listening party in LA sponsored by SiriusXM on Thursday. Jeff will be there to talk to reporters and answer fan questions. Anything you want me to ask?
Ask him about 'Birmingham Blues'.....
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Post by Helmut83 on Nov 15, 2019 18:10:21 GMT
I agree with what others said that FOON is still better than most anything that comes out today, but let's also admit that the bar these days is pretty low. In a context where Taylor Swift, Ariana Grande and Beyonce are the points of reference, and Ed Sheeran is the biggest expression of songwriting creativity*, jumping above that bar is the least I expect from someone like Jeff Lynne, old and everything.
* In the Argie countryside there's a saying to make reference to situations like this, that goes "how deep might the creek be if the cat crosses it trotting".
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Post by Deleted on Nov 15, 2019 18:36:30 GMT
Well, I'm still loving FOON, and I maintain that it is the best ELO since SM. But now let me add my very minor gripes: -WTF is with that ending of Time Of Our Life on the CD? I like the video ending with the crowd noise and the thank-you from Jeff. But on the CD it's like someone took the scissors to it before the final "life" could be delivered. It's very jarring, and it almost seems careless. -the fast songs are all on "side 2". One More Time and Sci Fi Woman are beside each other. This is wrong. I wish One More Time was on "side 1", and All My Love was on "side 2". -IT'S TOO FACKEN SHORT!! 12 songs, Jeff. 12 songs!!!
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