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Post by eloneen on Jul 9, 2021 12:28:56 GMT
So sorry to hear about your son, orioles70. Fortunately, he has been vaccinated, so that bodes well for him. Best wishes for his quick recovery!
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Post by dillwyn on Jul 9, 2021 12:36:58 GMT
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Post by Horacewimp on Jul 9, 2021 13:26:29 GMT
orioles70 best wishes to your son for a quick recovery, he has youth and the vaccination going for him so I’m sure everything will be good.
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Post by eloneen on Jul 9, 2021 17:12:13 GMT
The CDC is now saying that it is a priority for students to have in person learning, and that vaccinated people in schools (employees and students) do not need to wear masks indoors...Again, is any proof going to be required? States and local districts are free to make decisions about rules in their specific areas. To their credit, they do recommend other mitigation measures (social distancing, improved ventilation) and frequent testing for the unvaccinated in school environments... The new mask guidance for schools is going to produce a strong reaction, I think. Do I want to teach room full after room full of unmasked kids all day long? NOT!!! I bet things are about to get pretty spicy in teacher world here in the US!!
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Post by lasttrain929 on Jul 9, 2021 19:24:59 GMT
Only just read about your son orielos70, best wishes to him and a very speedy recovery.
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Post by unomusette on Jul 9, 2021 21:23:59 GMT
Yes, same from me orioles70, hope your son is back to his normal self soon.
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Post by eloneen on Jul 10, 2021 2:54:39 GMT
The CDC is now saying that it is a priority for students to have in person learning, and that vaccinated people in schools (employees and students) do not need to wear masks indoors...Again, is any proof going to be required? States and local districts are free to make decisions about rules in their specific areas. To their credit, they do recommend other mitigation measures (social distancing, improved ventilation) and frequent testing for the unvaccinated in school environments... The new mask guidance for schools is going to produce a strong reaction, I think. Do I want to teach room full after room full of unmasked kids all day long? NOT!!! I bet things are about to get pretty spicy in teacher world here in the US!! Way to go California! www.latimes.com/california/story/2021-07-09/masks-wont-necessarily-come-off-students-in-l-a-schools-despite-cdc-guidelines
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Post by orioles70 on Jul 18, 2021 22:37:30 GMT
My son is healthy again. 😀 It seems like Covid is usually mild for the vaccinated. I don’t know what the unvaxed are waiting for - the benefits have never been more obvious
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Post by BSJ on Jul 18, 2021 23:31:10 GMT
Happy for you, orioles70, thanks for letting us know.
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Post by dillwyn on Jul 22, 2021 10:07:09 GMT
UK briefing skit...sadly a whole lot closer to the truth and we would like
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Post by Helmut83 on Jul 23, 2021 6:23:28 GMT
Orioles, I've only read about your son now, I'm glad that it wasn't a big deal for him and he got over it no problem. I don’t know what the unvaxed are waiting for - the benefits have never been more obvious I'll disagree about this, not much is obvious at this early point. The vaccines have been developed less than a year ago when they normally take 5 years of studying and testing before they are deemed secure. We know nothing about the long-term effects of it and at this point you still can't rule out that unwanted consequences may appear and that all who got the vaccine end up regretting it. That's why I don't judge anyone at this point, neither the ones who get vaccinated nor the ones who don't. Right now it's a bet made on blindfolds: some bet on risking it with the vaccine and being safe from the virus, some bet on taking the risk with the virus and keeping themselves safe from the vaccine. Neither has enough information.
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Post by orioles70 on Jul 23, 2021 12:00:13 GMT
Helmut83it's true that the vaccines are new, but humans have a long history with vaccines a history where smallpox and polio were eradicated the data set for Covid is pretty overwhelming for the last 2 months, 98% of hospitalizations in the USA are for unvaccinated people this is despite the fact that there are twice as many vaxed adults as unvaxed so clearly - the vaccines are very effective as for risks, yes there are some risks from the virus but Covid kills 1.8% of people who catch it and if you catch Covid you can pass it on to more vulnerable people we each have to weigh the risks I think the data points to a clear and easy decision but if someone wants to think otherwise, they have a right to be wrong
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Post by Helmut83 on Jul 24, 2021 10:30:09 GMT
I think the data points to a clear and easy decision but if someone wants to think otherwise, they have a right to be wrong Wrong? How could I be wrong when what I said is that I'm open to all possibilities? Seeing on how you made a defense of the effectiveness of the vaccine -a topic I didn't even mention, let alone question-, it seems like you misunderstood my point, Orioles. What I was saying is that we still don't know if the vaccine will carry long-term negative effects/unwanted consequences.
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Post by orioles70 on Jul 24, 2021 12:33:46 GMT
Sorry Helmut, that little wink was meant to indicate that I realized I was stating an opinion as if it was fact. A tiny bit of humor. You can't be wrong about future events - at least not until the future arrives. We all make our best guesses and get some things right, come close on others and are caught completely off guard by things we never dreamed could happen. Covid is a certain near term risk, most of which can be eliminated with the vaccine. Side effects are usually mild and also happen near term. The subject of long term vaccine risks is full of controversy and bad science. I'm not convinced that that past vaccines have caused any of the mayhem claimed by the anti-vax crowd (autism, compromised immune systems, learning disabilities, magnetism, cyborg chip implants, mind control ...). Plus I'm getting kind of old and figure that I won't be around in the long term anyway
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Post by Helmut83 on Jul 25, 2021 8:51:04 GMT
Oh, I didn't pay attention to the smiley so I didn't get you were being humorous. I guess time will tell. I don't affirm that the vaccine will cause negative effects, but I'm not closed to it happening either, and I don't judge negatively the people who opt for a cautious approach. You listed very extreme things, some even ridiculous, but medicines do have unwanted side effects more often than not (for starters, with this one you get fever, feel bad for some time and have your arm hurting for several days), so to me it isn't impossible that this one could have one -or more- that haven't been previewed. Again, time will tell.
This might surprise you: I've been vaccinated. I've evaluated it and decided my bet (well before this discussion, haha). But being in the vaccinated group changes nothing the fact that I think the other group are not a bunch of lunatics about this and their position has a point and needs to be respected too.
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