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Post by elophile on Mar 29, 2019 1:24:42 GMT
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Post by jackpunch on Mar 29, 2019 1:55:11 GMT
I'm not betraying my own limitations at all. I'm a very decent Tuba and Euphonium player, but I can turn my hand to piano, guitar, banjo, mandolin, double bass and I can't think of a single guitar part he's played that I'd struggle with. And I'm a very very ordinary guitarist. If you want to have a discussion about playing musical instruments and music theory I'm all ears. As I've said he's an incredible singer, songwriter, arranger, producer, but I'm sorry he's nowt flash as a musician. You haven't given any evidence of Jeff being a poor guitar player beyond your own opinion. You can't produce this isolated lead guitar track from ROB at the RRHOF. You haven't given any examples we can listen to where Jeff missed a note on the neck, or fouled a bend or a slide. You haven't offered any examples, recordings or performances. Saying you can play what he can play isn't proof of your contention. It's just more opinion. I'd like a recording of you playing the guitar lead for "Kuiama" please, with the violin effect. Don't know where you're going to get the amp Jeff used to accomplish that. If you can't do "Kuiama," then how about recording the lead guitar part to "Don't Let Go" from Armchair Theatre. Lots of bending strings, doubled strings, Bigby effects, maybe a Leslie. I'm not sure if he used a Tele or his Goldtop for that one. I'm sure you can figure it out. Good luck. You know what your opinion is worth without some pretty hard evidence to back it up. I don't know how I going to replicate them either since I don't have an electric guitar and amp currently, nor a mechanism to record anything in a professional recording studio. Anyway, you wouldn't want to here my rank guitar playing. In terms of evidence, I posted it on here previously. You werent around to enjoy it. That's unfortunate. BTW what makes you think that song is played thro a leslie? Doesn't sound anything like being put thro a rotary speaker to me unless I'm listening to something else.
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Post by StrangeMagic on Mar 29, 2019 3:11:29 GMT
You haven't given any evidence of Jeff being a poor guitar player beyond your own opinion. You can't produce this isolated lead guitar track from ROB at the RRHOF. You haven't given any examples we can listen to where Jeff missed a note on the neck, or fouled a bend or a slide. You haven't offered any examples, recordings or performances. Saying you can play what he can play isn't proof of your contention. It's just more opinion. I'd like a recording of you playing the guitar lead for "Kuiama" please, with the violin effect. Don't know where you're going to get the amp Jeff used to accomplish that. If you can't do "Kuiama," then how about recording the lead guitar part to "Don't Let Go" from Armchair Theatre. Lots of bending strings, doubled strings, Bigby effects, maybe a Leslie. I'm not sure if he used a Tele or his Goldtop for that one. I'm sure you can figure it out. Good luck. You know what your opinion is worth without some pretty hard evidence to back it up. I don't know how I going to replicate them either since I don't have an electric guitar and amp currently, nor a mechanism to record anything in a professional recording studio. Anyway, you wouldn't want to here my rank guitar playing. In terms of evidence, I posted it on here previously. You werent around to enjoy it. That's unfortunate. BTW what makes you think that song is played thro a leslie? Doesn't sound anything like being put thro a rotary speaker to me unless I'm listening to something else. I said a Bigby, maybe a Leslie. It's just a couple of short phrases. So no proof of claim the claim you can play guitar as well as Jeff. I figured as such. When was this so-called evidence posted? In this forum? If you posted it here, it's still here. Or did mean old You Tube take you "proof" away? If Jeff has only blown one guitar solo in fifty years of playing, that still isn't proof that he's a mediocre guitar player. It's just your opinion.
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Mar 29, 2019 3:32:37 GMT
Post by eloneen on Mar 29, 2019 3:32:37 GMT
I really have no opinion on the quality or lack thereof of the guitar solo that jackpunch posted and don't really care to debate its merits, but it was indeed posted here on this forum back in April 2017. I remember listening to it. I think someone mentioned earlier that it had been taken down.
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Mar 29, 2019 3:38:59 GMT
Post by StrangeMagic on Mar 29, 2019 3:38:59 GMT
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Post by Helmut83 on Mar 29, 2019 6:14:25 GMT
His hair gave him away.
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Post by Helmut83 on Mar 29, 2019 6:32:22 GMT
Look here, at around 1:30 one of the most celebrated guitarists in the history of world rock kick starts a solo in a different key than the song was:
Nadie es perfecto.
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Post by jackpunch on Mar 29, 2019 7:24:21 GMT
I don't know how I going to replicate them either since I don't have an electric guitar and amp currently, nor a mechanism to record anything in a professional recording studio. Anyway, you wouldn't want to here my rank guitar playing. In terms of evidence, I posted it on here previously. You werent around to enjoy it. That's unfortunate. BTW what makes you think that song is played thro a leslie? Doesn't sound anything like being put thro a rotary speaker to me unless I'm listening to something else. I said a Bigby, maybe a Leslie. It's just a couple of short phrases. So no proof of claim the claim you can play guitar as well as Jeff. I figured as such. When was this so-called evidence posted? In this forum? If you posted it here, it's still here. Or did mean old You Tube take you "proof" away? If Jeff has only blown one guitar solo in fifty years of playing, that still isn't proof that he's a mediocre guitar player. It's just your opinion. I've just released who you are. We had virtually the same discussion on one of the Facebook groups and another very similar one regarding the fact that I reckoned Jeff couldn't give a shite about his RRHOF award. It's clear your very loyal and protective of Jeff and that's laudible but I think I'll duck out at this point now though cos it's pretty clear we're never going to see each others view. BTW.. You've mentioned it twice, what's a Bigby? I've never heard of it
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Post by coathanger on Mar 29, 2019 7:25:24 GMT
Look here, at around 1:30 one of the most celebrated guitarists in the history of world rock kick starts a solo in a different key than the song was: Nadie es perfecto.ju That made me laugh! The most accomplished guitarist I've ever seen live is Robert Fripp of King Crimson. His technical ability is streets ahead of most average guitarists (and I also include Jeff Lynne in that group) but he doesn't exactly write tunes you can whistle. It didn't however prevent him (on one occasion when I saw them) from allowing the rest of the Crims to carry on playing 'The Sheltering Sky' while he readjusted his guitar tuning for what seemed like an eternity. Another perfectionist, but not afraid to let the flaws (and we all have them in spades) become apparent from time to time and to laugh at himself in the process. It doesn't hurt a reputation, just makes it a bit more endearing and human. From a songwriting perspective, whether or not Jeff Lynne is a wino, drug addict, mass murderer or crazed politician is a matter of supreme indifference to me, as is his musical capability or otherwise. It doesn't really matter. He scores for me (in the early ELO days anyway) because being able to write a catchy song isn't solely the preserve of the technically gifted, a case in point being that of one of my favourite bands 'The Stranglers'. The original guitarist, Hugh Cornwell who left in 1990, could barely get through a gig without fouling up and relied on the studio to remove mistakes like many others do. His subsequent replacements were and are massively more capable guitarists but in the songwriting department........not close. Umbrage should not be taken and displayed on these discussions about pop music. It's not a threat to world peace and all objective stuff in any case, and one opinion is as valid as the next. The administrator is absolutely correct, to stifle discussion is counterproductive.
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Post by Timeblue on Mar 29, 2019 9:36:57 GMT
So Jeff is an alcoholic who cannot play the guitar....if he is,so what? He hasn't built his empire on those qualities. Everyone has their opinion and never the twain shall meet so let's just all sit back (with a drink or two or three) and praise the lord that he,Bev and Roy got together one day and started this glorious adventure.....
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Mar 29, 2019 12:17:48 GMT
Post by tremblinwilbury on Mar 29, 2019 12:17:48 GMT
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Post by elophile on Mar 29, 2019 13:07:53 GMT
So Jeff is an alcoholic who cannot play the guitar....if he is,so what? He hasn't built his empire on those qualities. Everyone has their opinion and never the twain shall meet so let's just all sit back (with a drink or two or three) and praise the lord that he,Bev and Roy got together one day and started this glorious adventure..... well said!
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Post by Helmut83 on Mar 29, 2019 20:04:26 GMT
So Jeff is an alcoholic who cannot play the guitar....if he is,so what? He hasn't built his empire on those qualities. Everyone has their opinion and never the twain shall meet so let's just all sit back (with a drink or two or three) and praise the lord that he,Bev and Roy got together one day and started this glorious adventure..... I'm going to go against the current for once in my life ( ) and give an unpopular opinion, which in this case means disagreeing with what you said, Timeblue . Again, not a personal attack on you (in any case, a questioning of your message), hope by now you know that. It's always a tempting thing to do, in the middle of a discussion, to place yourself in an apparently neutral position and come out with a resounding message advocating for peace on the forum and the brotherhood of man. It will make you look like Ghandi, you'll get lots of likes by people who feel uptight about any disagreement (and whom, in any case, could always stay away from the thread) and you'll emerge as the great wise man whom looking over the discussion was able to put away differences and restore peace. I don't doubt that you had the best intentions when you said that, but why not let the ball roll a bit more? In spite of a few heated up phrases, the discussion about Jeff as a guitarist was being interesting to me, as a few members who know what they are talking about gave interesting opinions. What those "peaceful" messages do is attempt to kill the discussion. Again, when was the last time this forum had had an interesting debate about Jeff Lynne or ELO before this one? We have lost that lately as a forum. I don't know if the maturity is lacking, but any disagreement or criticism on Jeff seems to make an alarm sound and suddenly too many people are on their nerves and about to have a nervous breakdown, that's why those messages of peace are welcome with a sigh of relief. And if, like me, you don't celebrate such messages of peace in the middle of an interesting discussion, you'll be the biggest terrorist and promoter of violence this forum has ever seen. I know it, but I feel we have to defend civil discussion too, otherwise all we'll be doing here is sucking Jeff up all day long. That would be boring as hell and I think it shouldn't be the purpose of a forum. Again, this is not an attack on you, Timeblue ; you are someone who usually doesn't shy away from some discussion and stating your point of view and and I respect you for that. In fact it's the first time I see you come up with this kind of message (of which there have been many before). I mean, I'm all good for loving and praising each other, but I think there should also be a time for debate and that time should be respected. That being said, I join you in your toast for the genesis of ELO.
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Post by tightrope on Mar 29, 2019 20:04:55 GMT
I recall many comments by people Jeff has worked with over the years talking about his guitar playing and overall musicianship. We all know the people he has worked with are among the best in the world. If you can't play or if you are average, you are not recording with or getting on stage with any of them.
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Post by coathanger on Mar 29, 2019 20:05:45 GMT
So Jeff is an alcoholic who cannot play the guitar....if he is,so what? He hasn't built his empire on those qualities. Everyone has their opinion and never the twain shall meet so let's just all sit back (with a drink or two or three) and praise the lord that he,Bev and Roy got together one day and started this glorious adventure..... This is a very telling statement. The three of them, Bev Bevan, a meat and potatoes drummer who did what was required by those around him, Jeff Lynne, a budding songwriter and Roy Wood, a maverick self taught multi-instrumentalist and Move supremo. We can never know what would have transpired without the three of them together but the whole is usually greater than the sum of the parts and I suspect the world would never have heard of ELO in its later forms without this catalyst.
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