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Post by eloneen on Jan 28, 2018 1:17:59 GMT
As I was listening to the Wembley album while I was running errands this evening, I was reminded that I have very mixed feelings about "Livin' Thing." I realized that while I find the music positively sublime, I don't care much for the lyrics or the singing. I don't have that kind of split opinion for many ELO songs.
Anyone else have any ELO songs that they have similar feelings about?
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Post by babyzoomer on Jan 28, 2018 10:46:45 GMT
Some JL songs (Evil Woman, Dirty To The Bone, Do Ya) display a kind of almost-misogyny with which I am somewhat uncomfortable. Whilst I understand that he has had his share of woman troubles, and that the lyrics of those songs (and maybe a few others) refer to individuals rather than 'all women' - nevertheless I must admit to a slight prickliness (perhaps not the best choice of word!) about them. I've long had a bone to chew over 'Save Me Now' - JL refers to humans as "guests" of the Earth; in fact we are just as indigenous as any other animal or plant. I agree entirely with the sentiment and intent of the song; my quibble is with his attempt to portray humans as a kind of second-rate alien invader. We are not. We're stuffing up the Earth, but we are not aliens. Oh dear now look what you made me do eloneen !
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Post by elophile on Jan 28, 2018 15:14:16 GMT
I really love Wild West Hero. I love singing along with it "oh-woh-oh-oh, a wild west heeeero". It's a beautiful melody. But, the lyrics... I don't connect with them at all. They're silly. I wish the song had some really abstract or profound or romantic lyrics that I could connect to. I have never wanted to be a wild west hero.
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Post by eloneen on Jan 28, 2018 17:19:58 GMT
I have never wanted to be a wild west hero. Yes, but sometimes one needs to step up to defend our national pride against verbal assaults from certain people across the pond...
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Post by Timeblue on Feb 6, 2018 0:30:04 GMT
I have never wanted to be a wild west hero. Yes, but sometimes one needs to step up to defend our national pride against verbal assaults from certain people across the pond... er........ who could you be referring to eloneen?
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Post by Timeblue on Feb 6, 2018 0:34:26 GMT
I really love Wild West Hero. I love singing along with it "oh-woh-oh-oh, a wild west heeeero". It's a beautiful melody. But, the lyrics... I don't connect with them at all. They're silly. I wish the song had some really abstract or profound or romantic lyrics that I could connect to. I have never wanted to be a wild west hero. When I was a boy (!) and being brought up on John Wayne films, I really wanted to be a cowboy or in the 7th cavalry alongside Errol Flynn...
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Post by babyzoomer on Feb 6, 2018 10:23:05 GMT
I suspect JL had a simular fascination with 'cowboys + indians - how else could you explain the weird 'indian interlude' in Waterfall?
(BTW Errol Flynn was born in Oz - in Tasmania, hence the saying "show us your map of Tassie!").
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Post by Timeblue on Feb 6, 2018 11:27:38 GMT
I suspect JL had a simular fascination with 'cowboys + indians - how else could you explain the weird 'indian interlude' in Waterfall? (BTW Errol Flynn was born in Oz - in Tasmania, hence the saying "show us your map of Tassie!"). Yeah I knew that! My all time favourite film is 'The Adventures of Robin Hood' with Errol as Robin...
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Post by Timeblue on Feb 6, 2018 11:31:44 GMT
Coincidentally, I have always thought that the fade out part of Waterfall sounded like part of the soundtrack to the Robin Hood movie which was composed by Erich Wolfgang Korngold.
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Post by eloneen on Feb 6, 2018 12:01:32 GMT
Yes, but sometimes one needs to step up to defend our national pride against verbal assaults from certain people across the pond... er........ who could you be referring to eloneen? C'mon, you're smart enough to know it's YOU!
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Post by babyzoomer on Feb 6, 2018 13:05:20 GMT
Coincidentally, I have always thought that the fade out part of Waterfall sounded like part of the soundtrack to the Robin Hood movie which was composed by Erich Wolfgang Korngold. Korngold's score for Robin Hood is often played on the (other) radio station I listen to - ABC Classic FM here in Oz (and also his score for Captain Blood). The fade-out bit from Waterfall is absolutely typical of music written in the 40's and 50's (especially fillum music - which JL has claimed was quite an influence on his music, he mentions the music from "The High and the Mighty" during Mr Blue Sky).
And to complete the loop, our JL wrote 'Wild Times' for the 1991 movie 'Robin Hood Prince of Thieves'. (As I'm sure you knew). Last time I watched that movie (with a clothespeg on my nose - it's a real stinker) I did not hear JL's 'Wild Times' at any point in the movie. Which means I'm gonna have to watch it again - ouch!
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Post by Timeblue on Feb 6, 2018 13:13:34 GMT
There is only ONE Robin and that is the Tasmanian devil himself...
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Post by babyzoomer on Feb 6, 2018 13:28:29 GMT
There is only ONE Robin and that is the Tasmanian devil himself... Errol's father was a (marine) biologist; Errol himself had a life-long interest in birds.....boom boom!
Actually Errol WAS interested in wildlife; he was fascinated with the Tasmanian devil and continued to tell people about this strange creature long after he had left Tasmania far behind. In fact his efforts at publicising the devil eventually led to the cartoon character "Taz".
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Post by Timeblue on Feb 6, 2018 13:45:11 GMT
I like a story about him that I once read,on doctor's advice he was told to give up the booze,so to get around this he used to inject oranges with vodka and suck on them instead!
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Post by eloneen on Feb 6, 2018 14:27:31 GMT
I like a story about him that I once read,on doctor's advice he was told to give up the booze,so to get around this he used to inject oranges with vodka and suck on them instead! At one high school where I taught years ago, a couple of students were caught bringing some similarly "doctored" fruit to school and partaking during class breaks.
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