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Post by dillwyn on Nov 18, 2015 13:18:32 GMT
Can anyone confirm that jl recorded more old versions when he released mr blue sky a couple of years back. Would it be enough for an album or just an expanded edition? Would that be a potential product alongside the 2016 tour?...
at the risk of incurring administrators wrong discussion topic wrath...is there another half to long wave as well recorded (and does that include clair de lune)?
that would be potentially two albums in the can ready to go ..... are there any others?
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Post by dcollins on Nov 18, 2015 13:37:12 GMT
By all accounts - other tracks were also rerecorded that could result in an expanded or second Mr Blue Sky, while the Down the Lane & Far Away sampler, which appeared around the same time as Long Wave had a further 11 tracks in the Long Wave style.
In addition - as Alone in the Universe was written post Hyde Park as per Jeff - the previous 7 to 8 songs Jeff repeatedly said he had written for the planned 2012 - 2013 solo release may also be around if they did not morph into AITU.
Given Jeff's profile now, he is on the crest of a wave - which, despite all our wishes, may not be matched in the future. What's needed is a full Jeff Lynne career retrospective box set - beginning with the Nightriders / Idle Race through to The Move to ELO and solo Jeff, covering at a minimum all tracks Jeff has written including as yet non releases.
Back to dreamland.
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Post by thewordsofaaron on Nov 18, 2015 13:40:14 GMT
can anything be the wrong topic....(i suppose so when it gets out of hand, which is easy to do on here...lol)
personally i dont want more re-recorded stuff...when it was originally recorded thats the way it was and should stay...but thats only my opinion....Jeff can sing it how he wants live on stage...but i wont be going out and replacing my original recordings with updates that, to me, mean nothing...
having said that it would be nice if they released an acoustic set like they did at the bungalow sessions, just Jeff and Richard...obviously there would have to be a few more done, but that would be great....
i wont be buying Long Wave 2 either....didnt really like the first one, just three tracks that were ok....but hey, i know, its the done thing for artists to record an album of other peoples stuff....and its interesting, for me anyway, that i love Armchair Theatre...and yep...theres other peoples stuff on there....what a headache!!
so i would rather Jeff concentrate on a new set of songs again....and yes i know, its all work work work for Jeff.....
as for the product that should go alongside the tour next year, as its called the Alone In The Universe Tour...would be copies of Alone In The Universe CD and some fab n groovy t-shirts....not a new album of old material to confuse people with...
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Post by dillwyn on Nov 18, 2015 13:40:50 GMT
be good to get a live album of this line-up too as it would be better than the zoom live band IMHO.
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Post by ShardEnder on Nov 18, 2015 15:26:47 GMT
In regards to unreleased material from his recent projects, Jeff confirmed that he remade enough classic ELO songs to issue a follow-up to the Mr. Blue Sky album, with I'm Alive mentioned as an outtake. He's also introduced Steppin' Out as a track that's since been reworked to his satisfaction, and while there's no way of being able to verify this until the new recording is available for comparison, I wouldn't be surprised if he relied on elements from the studio version when this was played at Hyde Park, as it's clear this approach was taken with quite a few other songs during that particular show (if not later ones as well, though I've yet to check these). Assuming this is the case, we can reasonably conclude that Jeff's also revisited All Over The World and Rock 'N' Roll Is King, plus it's heavily rumoured that he also tackled Don't Walk Away.
As for Long Wave, the "Down The Lane And Far Away" sampler disc proves there is enough leftover from this to create the majority of a similarly-themed sequel, and Jeff spoke of having several new compositions finished before he mostly started again with Alone In The Universe over the last year or so, with only When I Was A Boy dating from the earlier sessions. Going back to just after the release of Zoom, we know that One Day was intended for an album that ultimately failed to materialise, plus it's claimed that Point Of No Return was included on Mr. Blue Sky despite originally being meant for yet another project. Also, let's not forget that Cold Feet was salvaged from the aborted second record under Jeff's contact with Reprise, proving that Zoom didn't entirely evolve out of this as once believed by many fans.
There's really no way of knowing just how much could theoretically be dusted off from inside Jeff's vaults to produce new albums, as he's supposedly been recording intermittently for years. Until the announcement of such tracks as Surrender and Latitude 88 North, we had no idea these existed at all, with the usually teasing Rob Caiger never speaking of there being any incomplete ideas Jeff could polish up for release. Only a handful of demos have so far made their way out, and we know that a home recording of It's Over very nearly made it onto Flashback. Speaking of that compilation, who could have known there were four further outtakes beyond the previously documented Secret Messages casualties until these arrived out of the blue, to use a very apt pun?
Additionally, higher quality sources for the so-called Trojan Tapes Sessions that were released by Nathan James a while back are also in the hands of a lucky collector who bought those CDR acetates pressed at Abbey Road to audition potential bonus tracks for the remastering campaign, with the mythical Supersonic at least confirmed to exist in an alternate form with Jeff providing lead vocals. I realise this is never going to be legitimately approved by Jeff due to his perfectionist nature, but here's a look at what could be put together using just the home demos or unreleased studio material from the original ELO period we know he's sitting on:
Open Your Eyes (from Trojan Tapes Sessions) Auntie (Ma-Ma-Ma Belle demo, from March 1973 tape) Bev's Trouser's No. 7 (Showdown demo, from March 1973 tape) Theme From A Glass Table (Daybreaker demo, from March 1973 tape) Terd Behrgeler (Everyone's Born To Die demo, from March 1973 tape) Unknown #1 (demo, from March 1973 tape) Unknown #2 (demo, from March 1973 tape) Indian Queen (full demo, recorded 19/09/1974 for Sight And Sound) The First Days Of September Billy The Ballerina (supposed working title for an Eldorado era outtake) O So Lonely (AKA Like A Rat Up A Drain, from Trojan Tapes Sessions) Give Me Fever (AKA Black As A N****r's A**e, from Trojan Tapes Sessions) Surrender (original 1976 demo) Supersonic (from Trojan Tapes Sessions) It's Over (home demo, very nearly released on Flashback) Latitude 88 North (original 1977 demo) Poor Little Fool (full demo, recorded 1978 for Helen Reddy) All Over The World (full band demo, recorded late 1978) I'm Alive (full demo) The Fall (full demo) Xanadu (full demo) Xanadu Overture (later reworked into Love Changes All) The Way Life's Meant To Be (different versions recorded at several studios) Time (album test acetate with different tracklist and possible alternate mixes) Sad Affair (described by engineer as an outtake from the Time sessions) Danger Ahead (home demo, confirmed to exist by Richard Tandy) Hello My Old Friend (home demo, confirmed to exist by Richard Tandy) Beatles Forever (Secret Messages double album mix) Beatles Forever (alternate acetate version, supposedly slower with an extra verse) After All (Secret Messages double album edit) Danger Ahead (alternate early acetate mix) "The Garden Rehearsals" (confirmed to exist by Rob Caiger) Ballbuster (completed as Grieg's Piano Concerto In A Minor and included on Flashback) Who's That? (later completed and included on Flashback) Tears In Your Life (original vocoder version, reworked and included on Flashback) Helpless (later completed and included on Flashback) Balance Of Power (album before remixing took place between mid 1985 and early '86) Heaven Only Knows (unedited alternate version) Calling America (alternate versions from CDR acetate)
Is that pretty much a complete list of what we know to be out there? On top of all these, there's also the long-rumoured Time Tour recordings, which either come from the US or European leg depending on the source. What I can be sure of is that in addition to at least one concert being filmed, Jeff reviewed tapes from this tour for a potential highlights disc meant to have formed half of a double album, abandoning this plan due to some as-yet-unknown technical issue that led to him writing enough songs for Secret Messages to have been purely a 2xLP set of studio tracks... If only he'd throw open the vault door!
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Post by dillwyn on Nov 18, 2015 15:48:35 GMT
wow that is quite a list ....have you seen this ...I would buy this album in a heartbeat! although all released none pulled together like this ...
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Post by bhabs on Nov 18, 2015 17:00:12 GMT
Personally, I would welcome a Mr. Blue Sky 2. I think it's interesting to compare how the new versions differ. Yeah, some are bad - but some, like 10538 Overture, sound much more crisp IMO. I also love how he's reworked Steppin Out. I never liked the original that much, but he's really made some nice improvements, and a full-out, re-recorded studio version would be great to hear.
As for Long Wave, I feel like I appreciate that album more and more each time I listen to it. People weren't as warm to it when it came out because everybody was expecting a new album of original material; and album like Long Wave just seemed like a middle finger at that point. But looking back, there are some fantastic recordings on there (She, Beyond The Sea). His snippet of Night & Day is beautiful and I really want the full version.
So yeah, I certainly hope AITU isn't the last studio work we hear from Jeff!
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Post by starlight on Nov 18, 2015 17:27:56 GMT
I wondered if Jeff may release the unreleased MBS and LW tracks digitally on itunes etc?
I notice Beatles forever not listed...has a 'proper' version of this track (not the one on youtube) appeared anywhere yet?
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Post by BSJ on Nov 18, 2015 17:28:15 GMT
Personally, I would welcome a Mr. Blue Sky 2. I think it's interesting to compare how the new versions differ. Yeah, some are bad - but some, like 10538 Overture, sound much more crisp IMO. I also love how he's reworked Steppin Out. I never liked the original that much, but he's really made some nice improvements, and a full-out, re-recorded studio version would be great to hear. So yeah, I certainly hope AITU isn't the last studio work we hear from Jeff! I agree
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Post by bhabs on Nov 18, 2015 18:03:34 GMT
Also, has anybody heard "On My Mind" yet? If so, would you be willing to PM me an mp3? I'm trying to make a CD with all the tracks on it!
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Post by ShardEnder on Nov 18, 2015 19:06:20 GMT
I notice Beatles forever not listed...has a 'proper' version of this track (not the one on youtube) appeared anywhere yet? I've gone and included Beatles Forever in my list along with a few other Wisseloord sessions outtakes, but we all know there's no chance of that particular song ever realistically getting out - not as long as Jeff has any say in the matter, anyway! As for your question, an upgrade to the convention recording source is circulating (which, as I've said before, comes from a cassette of the whole Secret Messages double album belonging to session engineer Bill Bottrell that he shared four samples of to help verify the authenticity of those "unmatched" acetates sold on eBay a few years back), but curiously it seems to keep quickly disappearing from YouTube whenever someone uploads this... Could there be an official release on the cards we don't yet know about, perhaps to coincide with all the recent ELO activity, hopefully in time for its 33rd anniversary?
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Post by Chippa on Nov 18, 2015 21:09:51 GMT
The songs recorded for "Long Wave", which were left off the album, but showed up on the sampler that ShardEnder mentioned, are.. Sally - made famous by British singer Gracie Fields. Sunshine of Your Smile- Written in 1913, and recorded by, among others, Frank Sinatra. Stardust - written by Hoagy Carmichael. All Alone Am I - made famous by Brenda Lee Sleepwalk- instrumental hit for Santo and Johnny. Some Enchanted Evening - from the Rodgers and Hammerstein musical "South Pacific". Night and Day - written by Cole Porter My Prayer -written in 1939, but made most famous by the Platters. Goodbye My Love- recorded by The Searchers. You'll Never Walk Alone- another Rodgers and Hammerstein song, from the musical "Carousel".
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Post by dillwyn on Nov 18, 2015 23:03:47 GMT
The songs recorded for "Long Wave", which were left off the album, but showed up on the sampler that ShardEnder mentioned, are.. Sally - made famous by British singer Gracie Fields. Sunshine of Your Smile- Written in 1913, and recorded by, among others, Frank Sinatra. Stardust - written by Hoagy Carmichael. All Alone Am I - made famous by Brenda Lee Sleepwalk- instrumental hit for Santo and Johnny. Some Enchanted Evening - from the Rodgers and Hammerstein musical "South Pacific". Night and Day - written by Cole Porter My Prayer -written in 1939, but made most famous by the Platters. Goodbye My Love- recorded by The Searchers. You'll Never Walk Alone- another Rodgers and Hammerstein song, from the musical "Carousel". what about down by the duckpond..isn't that part of that group as well
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Post by Chippa on Nov 18, 2015 23:28:33 GMT
You're right, dillwyn. Saturday Night at the Duckpond was intended for Long Wave.
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Post by ShardEnder on Nov 19, 2015 11:22:47 GMT
Saturday Night at the Duckpond was intended for Long Wave. ...and it works great in a mash-up with Grieg's Piano Concerto In A Minor!
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