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Post by lawrev on Jul 5, 2023 13:33:42 GMT
I've never seen this topic discussed elsewhere, so my apologies if it has been discussed elsewhere.
ELO's last gig of the 1980s was in Germany in July 1986. I've seen the photo of the band before they went on stage that day, but I'm curious after their performance. Was there a final band meeting where Jeff announced that ELO was done? Was there any final goodbye between any of them? Or did they just walk away not knowing what was going to happen (as in being on hiatus until the official breakup in November 1988)?
Maybe Jeff didn't say anything given what happened during the European leg of the Time Tour in 1982 - that ELO was done after the tour because Jeff believed he had met his contractual requirements. And that announcement is what prompted Kelly to seek legal advice.
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Post by Chippa on Jul 5, 2023 15:06:19 GMT
And it was only five months later that Jeff began working with George Harrison on Cloud Nine.
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Post by dillwyn on Jul 6, 2023 11:32:32 GMT
And it was only five months later that Jeff began working with George Harrison on Cloud Nine. I think I read Cloud Nine had started with a different producer (An American perhaps?) but GH was unhappy. Do we know who the unnamed producer was?
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Post by Chippa on Jul 9, 2023 21:32:53 GMT
And it was only five months later that Jeff began working with George Harrison on Cloud Nine. I think I read Cloud Nine had started with a different producer (An American perhaps?) but GH was unhappy. Do we know who the unnamed producer was? I read that, as well. George played Jeff some of the songs he'd done with the unnamed producer, and Jeff said "well that's not the way I would have done it".
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Post by orioles70 on Jul 9, 2023 22:14:23 GMT
I think Olivia Harrison still lives at Friar Park. I wonder if she gets requests from musicians who want to see the place or record there. Did Djani use his Dad's studio when he and Jeff finished up Brainwashed?
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Post by Chippa on Jul 10, 2023 5:23:24 GMT
I think Olivia Harrison still lives at Friar Park. I wonder if she gets requests from musicians who want to see the place or record there. Did Djani use his Dad's studio when he and Jeff finished up Brainwashed? Brainwashed was done at Friar Park, yes. I think Jeff's LA home studio was also utilized for some of the tracks.
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Post by lawrev on Jul 10, 2023 15:06:42 GMT
I think I read Cloud Nine had started with a different producer (An American perhaps?) but GH was unhappy. Do we know who the unnamed producer was? I read that, as well. George played Jeff some of the songs he'd done with the unnamed producer, and Jeff said "well that's not the way I would have done it".
If one wants to have an album sound like a band, then record the band live in an ambient atmosphere. Which of course is not the way Jeff works. We all know what happened when Jeff produced Into the Great Wide Open with the Petty/Heartbreakers (particularly with Stan Lynch). There is more than one way to skin a cat, as the saying goes. No producer's way is the only way.
The article is very interesting and thanks for the post. I did not know that there was a producer before Jeff. But I will say that the drum track on Got My Mind is the most annoying sound on the entire album - and way more annoying than the gated drum sounds Jeff has been using the past 20 years. Got My Mind is the one song on that album I skip, and why it was the first track on Harrison's more recent greatest hits album is a mystery to me. That album should have kicked off with one of his legacy and career defining tracks, though I'm sure the accountants wanted Got My Mind as track 1 as it was Harrison's last #1.
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Post by ajv on Jul 13, 2023 4:13:29 GMT
See, this topic has already veered into the well documented George Harrison sessions, with the end of ELO question unanswered. Probably the one person who knows who may actually reply is Dave Morgan, and he's on Facebook, so someone ask him. This topic has always interested me immensely, but good luck uncovering the inner-band relationships of most any band, especially ELO in the 80s!
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Post by Timeblue on Jul 13, 2023 6:15:26 GMT
See, this topic has already veered into the well documented George Harrison sessions, with the end of ELO question unanswered. Probably the one person who knows who may actually reply is Dave Morgan, and he's on Facebook, so someone ask him. This topic has always interested me immensely, but good luck uncovering the inner-band relationships of most any band, especially ELO in the 80s! I once tried contacting Dave on FB regarding photographs from the Time tour but he never answered so good luck with that one.
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Post by dillwyn on Jul 13, 2023 8:17:55 GMT
I read that, as well. George played Jeff some of the songs he'd done with the unnamed producer, and Jeff said "well that's not the way I would have done it".
If one wants to have an album sound like a band, then record the band live in an ambient atmosphere. Which of course is not the way Jeff works. We all know what happened when Jeff produced Into the Great Wide Open with the Petty/Heartbreakers (particularly with Stan Lynch). There is more than one way to skin a cat, as the saying goes. No producer's way is the only way.
The article is very interesting and thanks for the post. I did not know that there was a producer before Jeff. But I will say that the drum track on Got My Mind is the most annoying sound on the entire album - and way more annoying than the gated drum sounds Jeff has been using the past 20 years. Got My Mind is the one song on that album I skip, and why it was the first track on Harrison's more recent greatest hits album is a mystery to me. That album should have kicked off with one of his legacy and career defining tracks, though I'm sure the accountants wanted Got My Mind as track 1 as it was Harrison's last #1.
came across this today, made me smile anyway
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Post by pelo on Jul 13, 2023 8:20:16 GMT
I think Olivia Harrison still lives at Friar Park. I wonder if she gets requests from musicians who want to see the place or record there. Did Djani use his Dad's studio when he and Jeff finished up Brainwashed? Brainwashed was done at Friar Park, yes. I think Jeff's LA home studio was also utilized for some of the tracks. This is not entirely correct. According to my sources, for the final sessions and mix, Jeff Lynne and Dhani worked mainly from Bungalow Palace. Moreover a lot of the demo stuff was recorded by George in Switzerland. Quotes: They weren't actually recorded until the last few years. Some of them were demoed before then: he'd have them on a cassette, or on tape, and he might do a live mix, which he'd keep on a DAT. And then he might keep that for six years! But he would work in the studio a lot by himself wherever we were. We lived in Switzerland for a while, and we had a home studio there-Swiss Army Studios. [laughs] A lot of the album was done there. (Dhani; Guitar World) Actually, we'd planned to go to Jeff's studio in March 2001 to finish up the tapes. But then Jeff had just finished touring for his [Electric Light Orchestra] album Zoom, and he wasn't feeling well. And it was a bad time for my dad as well, timing-wise, so we just decided to reschedule it for the following March. And...what had happened was, in the meantime, my dad got ill and, unfortunately, died. But we had the studio time booked, so I went ahead with Jeff and finished the album. (Dhani; Guitar World) (Pro Tools) They just worked very well together. I think their studios were set up very similarly, except Jeff had gone the next step, to integrating Pro Tools. That was part of the reason why my dad wanted to work at Jeff's studio. He said, "Oh, we can fix some of these little bits on ProTools." Now, he was always against that idea before, but he sort of softened up on the whole idea when he played guitar for Jeff on Zoom. And I think he was really happy to be able to like Pro Tools instead of just fearing it. [laughs] (Dhani; Guitar World) In March 2002, Lynne, with Dhani, got down to sorting through Harrison's demos at his Bungalow Palace studio, in L.A., employing a Pro Tool HD setup he had purchased for the occasion. (Guitar World) (Regieanweisungen;Overdubs) Much to Lynne's pleasure, the recordings were close to complete. In addition to guitar and ukuele, Harrison had laid down all of his lead vocals, as well as harmonies and bass tracks that had been recorded with legendary session ace Jim Keltner, and parts by keyboardist Jools Holland. "The first thing we did was scour every track," says Lynne. "To my great happiness, George left us with all these great slide guitar solos, which I was totally thrilled with. You know how when you make demos you try out different ideas on different tracks? Well, there would be, like, three or four different takes of solos. Amongst them, he'd left us some beautiful stuff, and sometimes we'd switch tracks halfway through another track, like you might normally do when working on an album. And from it we were able to create what we imagined to be the lead guitar track of his choice." (Guitar World)
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Post by lawrev on Jul 13, 2023 14:02:30 GMT
If one wants to have an album sound like a band, then record the band live in an ambient atmosphere. Which of course is not the way Jeff works. We all know what happened when Jeff produced Into the Great Wide Open with the Petty/Heartbreakers (particularly with Stan Lynch). There is more than one way to skin a cat, as the saying goes. No producer's way is the only way.
The article is very interesting and thanks for the post. I did not know that there was a producer before Jeff. But I will say that the drum track on Got My Mind is the most annoying sound on the entire album - and way more annoying than the gated drum sounds Jeff has been using the past 20 years. Got My Mind is the one song on that album I skip, and why it was the first track on Harrison's more recent greatest hits album is a mystery to me. That album should have kicked off with one of his legacy and career defining tracks, though I'm sure the accountants wanted Got My Mind as track 1 as it was Harrison's last #1.
came across this today, made me smile anyway I completely forgot about this
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Post by lawrev on Jul 13, 2023 14:07:31 GMT
Brainwashed was done at Friar Park, yes. I think Jeff's LA home studio was also utilized for some of the tracks. This is not entirely correct. According to my sources, for the final sessions and mix, Jeff Lynne and Dhani worked mainly from Bungalow Palace. Moreover a lot of the demo stuff was recorded by George in Switzerland. Quotes: They weren't actually recorded until the last few years. Some of them were demoed before then: he'd have them on a cassette, or on tape, and he might do a live mix, which he'd keep on a DAT. And then he might keep that for six years! But he would work in the studio a lot by himself wherever we were. We lived in Switzerland for a while, and we had a home studio there-Swiss Army Studios. [laughs] A lot of the album was done there. (Dhani; Guitar World) Actually, we'd planned to go to Jeff's studio in March 2001 to finish up the tapes. But then Jeff had just finished touring for his [Electric Light Orchestra] album Zoom, and he wasn't feeling well. And it was a bad time for my dad as well, timing-wise, so we just decided to reschedule it for the following March. And...what had happened was, in the meantime, my dad got ill and, unfortunately, died. But we had the studio time booked, so I went ahead with Jeff and finished the album. (Dhani; Guitar World) (Pro Tools) They just worked very well together. I think their studios were set up very similarly, except Jeff had gone the next step, to integrating Pro Tools. That was part of the reason why my dad wanted to work at Jeff's studio. He said, "Oh, we can fix some of these little bits on ProTools." Now, he was always against that idea before, but he sort of softened up on the whole idea when he played guitar for Jeff on Zoom. And I think he was really happy to be able to like Pro Tools instead of just fearing it. [laughs] (Dhani; Guitar World) In March 2002, Lynne, with Dhani, got down to sorting through Harrison's demos at his Bungalow Palace studio, in L.A., employing a Pro Tool HD setup he had purchased for the occasion. (Guitar World) (Regieanweisungen;Overdubs) Much to Lynne's pleasure, the recordings were close to complete. In addition to guitar and ukuele, Harrison had laid down all of his lead vocals, as well as harmonies and bass tracks that had been recorded with legendary session ace Jim Keltner, and parts by keyboardist Jools Holland. "The first thing we did was scour every track," says Lynne. "To my great happiness, George left us with all these great slide guitar solos, which I was totally thrilled with. You know how when you make demos you try out different ideas on different tracks? Well, there would be, like, three or four different takes of solos. Amongst them, he'd left us some beautiful stuff, and sometimes we'd switch tracks halfway through another track, like you might normally do when working on an album. And from it we were able to create what we imagined to be the lead guitar track of his choice." (Guitar World) Interesting material in Guitar World - why wasn't Jeff feeling well after the Zoom "tour?" was it because the tour was cancelled (depressed or shocked by that) or did he have medical issues as far back as then? We may never know.
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Post by BSJ on Jul 13, 2023 16:41:00 GMT
came across this today, made me smile anyway I completely forgot about this I didn't know this even existed.
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Post by lawrev on Jul 13, 2023 22:12:50 GMT
I completely forgot about this I didn't know this even existed. The drums on this are even worse than on Cloud Nine. But I am getting a good laugh out of the Weird Al version.
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