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Post by Timeblue on Sept 16, 2020 8:36:46 GMT
It takes a few listens but it is a gem of a song, much better in my opinion than 'Beatles Forever'
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Post by mandalay on Sept 16, 2020 8:48:50 GMT
Mandalay is actually one of my absolute favourites. I always love Jeff's darker moody songs. Definitely a touch of Cliff Richard in the vocal style lol
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Post by orangefiltersky on Sept 16, 2020 11:51:16 GMT
When I first heard "Mandalay" many years ago it didn`t do anything for me. But I kept giving it a chance and in the meantime I really like the fact that it is extremely different from what Jeff normally does. The vocal style in the verses is really strange but now I think that`s great. The whole mood of this song is rather bizarre. Jeff doesn`t play safe in this song, which is a good thing imo.
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Post by elosimms on Sept 16, 2020 13:48:25 GMT
Mandalay is certainly different. When I first heard I thought Jeff was going to break into MacArthur Park...someone leaving cake out in the rain...but then he took the song in a different direction. I had never heard Beatles Forever all the way through til last week. Whether we like or not it's yet another amazing Jeff Lynne creation.
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Post by BSJ on Sept 16, 2020 16:50:51 GMT
Yes, I had a slight shudder when first hearing him going into a "MacArthur Park".
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Post by helli on Sept 16, 2020 17:34:14 GMT
Yes, I had a slight shudder when first hearing him going into a "MacArthur Park". That wasn't the first time, I think of Mission or Dreaming of 4000 ..
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Post by Horacewimp on Sept 16, 2020 20:12:18 GMT
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Post by ajv on Sept 16, 2020 23:16:30 GMT
I've listened to some of these and can detect some minor differences, will have to hear them all soon. But I've looked thru the liner note files and I've got loads of questions and complaints. For one thing, if the goal was to have accurate musician credits then why not credit Jeff for playing bass, which he does on most of the album? And what's with Dave Morgan suddenly having all these musician credits? Just sampling the dog barking doesn't justify a keyboard credit. There's also a typo where it describes Bev trying to hit Jeff with his "first". And especially: Kelly gets a co-writing credit on RnR Is King?! What second-hand rumor is that being based on? Good looking graphics though!
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Post by StrangeMagic on Sept 17, 2020 2:32:58 GMT
I've listened to some of these and can detect some minor differences, will have to hear them all soon. But I've looked thru the liner note files and I've got loads of questions and complaints. For one thing, if the goal was to have accurate musician credits then why not credit Jeff for playing bass, which he does on most of the album? And what's with Dave Morgan suddenly having all these musician credits? Just sampling the dog barking doesn't justify a keyboard credit. There's also a typo where it describes Bev trying to hit Jeff with his "first". And especially: Kelly gets a co-writing credit on RnR Is King?! What second-hand rumor is that being based on? Good looking graphics though! Yes, I think we all have questions about those liner notes. And I don't think any complete answers will be forthcoming until ShardEnder's long-awaited book is published.
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Post by Grroosss on Sept 17, 2020 6:32:43 GMT
I've listened to some of these and can detect some minor differences, will have to hear them all soon. But I've looked thru the liner note files and I've got loads of questions and complaints. For one thing, if the goal was to have accurate musician credits then why not credit Jeff for playing bass, which he does on most of the album? And what's with Dave Morgan suddenly having all these musician credits? Just sampling the dog barking doesn't justify a keyboard credit. There's also a typo where it describes Bev trying to hit Jeff with his "first". And especially: Kelly gets a co-writing credit on RnR Is King?! What second-hand rumor is that being based on? Good looking graphics though! Well, I'm no ELO researcher, but I happened to be reading up on SM today (while trying to reach a more conclusive answer regarding the semaphore secret message rumored to be hidden in the album's alternate cover), so I should be able to provide at least some rudimentary answers. Much of this information can also be found in the video descriptions of the Bug Club remasters. Jeff's credits, I don't have an answer for that one, sorry. But Dave Morgan (along with the rest of the Time tour lineup) was present for the initial recording sessions for No Way Out, Chain of Gold, Beatles Forever, and Rock 'n' Roll Is King when the band made a brief visit to Wisseloord Studios in '82. He was also responsible for the "Hey!" in Endless Lies, which is why it was cut when Jeff reworked the song for BOP, as Jeff didn't want to pay him for an album that he didn't actually record for. Typos, they happen to the best of us. Official ELO productions included, apparently, when it comes to "emgineer" Steve Jay. (Go ahead, go run and check the credits on your vinyl copy of FOON.) And as for Kelly's co-writing credit, the song was originally to be called Motor Factory, but Jeff wiped the original lyrics, and Kelly helped with the new lyrics that would turn it into Rock 'n' Roll Is King.
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Post by Horacewimp on Sept 17, 2020 19:24:00 GMT
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Post by Timeblue on Sept 17, 2020 22:26:22 GMT
What I still don't get is why Jeff asked Kelly back to re write 'Motor Factory' after sacking him and all the court battles before hand? Why did Kelly agree to do this after what had gone on before? guess we'll never know....
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Post by ShardEnder on Sept 18, 2020 0:20:23 GMT
There's a world of difference between Kelly being sacked, which didn't happen until after the out-of-court settlement in October 1983, and him being frozen out of recording sessions starting in August 1983 while his case against initially Jet Records was an ongoing legal dispute. If things had been so black-and-white, there would have been no way he could appear in the two promo videos for this album, feature with the rest of the band in official pictures or even be able to promote himself as still being a member - something Jeff also mentioned during his interview on Rockline around the same period. So much of this overlap needs clearing up...
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Post by StrangeMagic on Sept 18, 2020 3:01:54 GMT
There's a world of difference between Kelly being sacked, which didn't happen until after the out-of-court settlement in October 1983, and him being frozen out of recording sessions starting in August 1983 while his case against initially Jet Records was an ongoing legal dispute. If things had been so black-and-white, there would have been no way he could appear in the two promo videos for this album, feature with the rest of the band in official pictures or even be able to promote himself as still being a member - something Jeff also mentioned during his interview on Rockline around the same period. So much of this overlap needs clearing up... I'm very confused by this timeline. Secret Messages was released in June 5, 1983. We know Kelly only performed on four of the songs on that album. How could Kelly have been frozen out of recording sessions after the album was released and only been on four of the songs? I'm sure you know better than I, but according to Wikipedia, recording was finished by February, 1983.
I understand Kelly came back to appear in the videos. I speculated without really knowing it was because he needed the money and ELO needed the appearance of normalcy.
Don't mean to challenge you. Just trying to make sense of what you are saying.
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Post by Horacewimp on Sept 18, 2020 20:34:57 GMT
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