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Post by dillwyn on Apr 10, 2018 6:54:17 GMT
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Post by jackpunch on Apr 10, 2018 22:20:26 GMT
I agree, Neil Finn is a fantastic songwriter and vocalist. He's not as good a guitarist as LB but that's exactly where Mike Campbell steps in. A lot of FM fans are non plussed but I'm interested to see how this works
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Post by queenofthehours on Apr 11, 2018 13:49:53 GMT
At first I was unsure about how Mike and Neil could replace Lindsey but after hearing some people talk about this on Radio Four I'm convinced. I'm thrilled that Mike is now a Fleetwood Mac member, I'm sure he'll do great as he's a powerful player and Neil is a beautiful singer and guitarist - between them you'll never know LB is gone. Anyway, there's so much more to the band than LB as the people on Radio Four pointed out. They mentioned the age of the band and how many members they had gotten through and I couldn't help but draw parallels with ELO.
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Post by Helmut83 on Apr 11, 2018 17:28:04 GMT
Why not form a band with another name? At this point I'm afraid there can't be Fleetwood Mac without Lindsay Buckingham, particularly when he wasn't just a mere instrumentist but a songwriter.
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Post by jackpunch on Apr 11, 2018 20:08:59 GMT
Why not form a band with another name? At this point I'm afraid there can't be Fleetwood Mac without Lindsay Buckingham, particularly when he wasn't just a mere instrumentist but a songwriter. Neil Finn is miles ahead of LB as a songwriter, why would FM not want to avail themselves of that. I'm hoping it's an album not just a tour |
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Post by Helmut83 on Apr 11, 2018 20:19:50 GMT
Why not form a band with another name? At this point I'm afraid there can't be Fleetwood Mac without Lindsay Buckingham, particularly when he wasn't just a mere instrumentist but a songwriter. Neil Finn is miles ahead of LB as a songwriter, why would FM not want to avail themselves of that. I'm hoping it's an album not just a tour Even when that is right and when it's a logical thing to bring a better songwriter like Neil Finn in, my point was that Fleetwood Mac is already too identified with Buckingham's contribution and sound. Name the new band another way. To give you two examples: 1) Queen. Brian May and Roger Taylor went on with the name Queen and with the songs, but it was other people replacing Freddie Mercury and John Deacon. I think by naming it "Queen" they lost, because that made for comparisons and in the comparisons everybody longed for the old members and said the new ones where not at their height. Everyone would say "this is not Queen". 2) Guns n' Roses: Slash, Duff and Matt Sorum (that's 60% of the band) named their new band "Velvet Revolver". Another name, another band. No comparisons and no people longing for former members. I'd do this any day of the week. |
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Post by BSJ on Apr 11, 2018 21:44:29 GMT
So, your view is that Jeff should not be using Electric Light Orchestra?
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Post by Helmut83 on Apr 11, 2018 22:02:57 GMT
So, your view is that Jeff should not be using Electric Light Orchestra? Good question. I think they are very different cases. The quid in my opinion is this: Jeff Lynne is ELO and ELO was never a real band. The others were never relevant in the creation process (except for a riff by Richard Tandy here and there), in the sound and in most everything that wasn't live shows. They weren't part of a band as such. They had little say (or none) in regards to the music, it was just a bunch of guys hired so that they could play the instruments and backing vocals when Jeff Lynne played live. If it weren't them, it would have been others, but ELO would still have existed and been pretty much the same as long as Jeff Lynne was there. For me, that is the reason Jeff Lynne could name "Electric Light Orchestra" to whichever team of musicians he chooses to back him. Fleetwood Mac were a band in the sense that we are used to use the word "band". All of it's components were relevant to a certain extent, all of them had their say in the creational process (as far as I know), songwriting duties were divided, the style changed depending on which members were part of the band in the different moments (it started out almost as a blues band), etc... That's why when you take a member out of the equation (and an important one like Lindsay Buckingham) it's already not the same. |
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Post by BSJ on Apr 11, 2018 22:38:19 GMT
Apples to oranges. How I thought, too. Causal fans of ELO are most probably puzzled.
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Post by tightrope on Apr 12, 2018 1:24:37 GMT
So, your view is that Jeff should not be using Electric Light Orchestra? ELO and Fleetwood Mac have always been governed differently. With the departure of Roy Wood, Jeff ruled ELO pretty much with an iron fist. He was THE mastermind, it was his band to do with what he would. Mick was the leader of FM but he knew full well the more talented members of the band, especially Lindsey had to have a say. Without LB, the band is not the same. I suspect Stevie Nicks played a big part in his demise. |
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Post by tightrope on Apr 12, 2018 1:27:38 GMT
So, your view is that Jeff should not be using Electric Light Orchestra? Good question. I think they are very different cases. The quid in my opinion is this: Jeff Lynne is ELO and ELO was never a real band. The others were never relevant in the creation process (except for a riff by Richard Tandy here and there), in the sound and in most everything that wasn't live shows. They weren't part of a band as such. They had little say (or none) in regards to the music, it was just a bunch of guys hired so that they could play the instruments and backing vocals when Jeff Lynne played live. If it weren't them, it would have been others, but ELO would still have existed and been pretty much the same as long as Jeff Lynne was there. For me, that is the reason Jeff Lynne could name "Electric Light Orchestra" to whichever team of musicians he chooses to back him. Fleetwood Mac were a band in the sense that we are used to use the word "band". All of it's components were relevant to a certain extent, all of them had their say in the creational process (as far as I know), songwriting duties were divided, the style changed depending on which members were part of the band in the different moments (it started out almost as a blues band), etc... That's why when you take a member out of the equation (and an important one like Lindsay Buckingham) it's already not the same. I should have read your post before I responded. You put it much better than I did. |
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Post by Helmut83 on Apr 12, 2018 2:57:32 GMT
Good question. I think they are very different cases. The quid in my opinion is this: Jeff Lynne is ELO and ELO was never a real band. The others were never relevant in the creation process (except for a riff by Richard Tandy here and there), in the sound and in most everything that wasn't live shows. They weren't part of a band as such. They had little say (or none) in regards to the music, it was just a bunch of guys hired so that they could play the instruments and backing vocals when Jeff Lynne played live. If it weren't them, it would have been others, but ELO would still have existed and been pretty much the same as long as Jeff Lynne was there. For me, that is the reason Jeff Lynne could name "Electric Light Orchestra" to whichever team of musicians he chooses to back him. Fleetwood Mac were a band in the sense that we are used to use the word "band". All of it's components were relevant to a certain extent, all of them had their say in the creational process (as far as I know), songwriting duties were divided, the style changed depending on which members were part of the band in the different moments (it started out almost as a blues band), etc... That's why when you take a member out of the equation (and an important one like Lindsay Buckingham) it's already not the same. I should have read your post before I responded. You put it much better than I did. Funny, I read your post and thought "he said more or less the same as me but in a much more succint way". |
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Post by dillwyn on Apr 12, 2018 17:14:16 GMT
there was fleetwood mac way before lyndsay and stevie, (and for quite a while after ) ....i accept they brought the massive commercial success though
the other point is that LB has left /been sacked before (twice?).... the way i read this is ... they had a tour committed, this was a way to fulfil it.
having seen Neil Finn/Crowded House 5 or 6 times live all i can say is he is brilliant, mike campbell only the once but i think we all know his abilities.
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Post by dillwyn on Apr 13, 2018 21:16:57 GMT
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Post by dillwyn on Sept 18, 2018 7:01:05 GMT
there you go ...10 piece band by the looks of it ...strange choice of song to debut with ....
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, but we're OK. 
Sept 28, 2024 17:32:11 GMT
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, but we're OK. 
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Oct 11, 2024 17:14:20 GMT
Apparently it's quite hard to see them with the naked eye, you need to be looking through a camera or other type of lens?
Oct 12, 2024 20:17:04 GMT
Apparently it's quite hard to see them with the naked eye, you need to be looking through a camera or other type of lens?
Oct 12, 2024 20:17:04 GMT