10539
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Post by 10539 on Nov 14, 2017 10:22:38 GMT
Can anyone explain to me who Lynn Hoskins is and why it is impossible to join the Showdown mailing list. I emailed her to join the list before the presale tickets for the last tour went on sale and received no reply. I emailed her again again recently looking to join the list and again no reply ! The fan club presale is underway and i like many other fans am locked out of it. I am following ELO for 37 years since I was 10 years old and most of those years were lean years when Jeff was off writing and producing for other people but i kept the light shining even though at times, similar to the Little Britain sketch 'only gay in the village' i felt i was the only ELO fan in Ireland ! When anyone asked me what kind of music i liked i would always hesitate before answering as the inevitable response would be , Who ? I have every ELO release on vinyl, tape and CD. I subscribed to the Face the Music newsletter until it ceased and always kept myself up to date with what Jeff was up to during the non ELO years. I regularly visited the ftmusic.com website to keep tabs on any reissues etc but never joined the mailing list as i thought it was pointless as any news would be posted on the website. I don't understand how a mailing list can be considered a fan club and it's particularly annoying and frustrating not being able to join that list. I'm very disappointed also in Jeffs team that they would allow this situation to continue. It's people like me who kept the faith with Jeff and his music during the 80s and 90s and through the Zoom tour fiasco and beyond, and the thanks i get is to be told that i'm not a true fan because I'm not on Lynn Hoskins list !! Yes, i will get tickets and yes i will see ELO next year but that's not the point. I don't want a pat on the back for following ELO for 37 years, it has been a wonderful musical journey and it is the soundtrack to my life, but to not even get a reply from Lynn Hoskins to me is disgusting and reflects bad on Jeff and his team. What does everyone else think ?
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Post by Horacewimp on Nov 14, 2017 10:37:25 GMT
It is very frustrating and I have heard of similar stories to yours.
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10539
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Post by 10539 on Nov 14, 2017 11:03:02 GMT
Yes frustrating and maddening. Thanks for moving this thread to here, although I have just reposted above . Please delete the reposted thread and thanks very much for your reply
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Post by sundown on Nov 14, 2017 11:08:04 GMT
From what I've heard Lynn receives an awful lot of requests to join the Showdown List whenever tickets go on sale or are about to go on sale. People who only want to get involved when they think there's something in it for them. I know it can be frustrating for the one's who are genuine.
The best time to join the list is when there's nothing happening. I understand its a very quiet place most of the time these days.
Pre-sales only have a limited supply of tickets allocated to them anyway and are not always the best seats. The bulk of the tickets go on sale on Friday but there is a pre-sale tomorrow at 9am again with a limited supply of tickets for anyone who has registered with the official Jeff Lynne's ELO website.
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Post by starlight on Nov 14, 2017 17:37:10 GMT
I can only assume that Jeff is trying to thank those who joined the list was back in the early days of the showdown list primarily, it's a shame for true fans who have only recently discovered it
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Post by unomusette on Nov 14, 2017 17:42:16 GMT
.... there is a pre-sale tomorrow at 9am again with a limited supply of tickets for anyone who has registered with the official Jeff Lynne's ELO website. I've just registered with the ELO site, do they send you a code or did you have to be registered before the tour was announced?
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Post by Helmut83 on Nov 14, 2017 17:59:03 GMT
I think it's an awful idea to have a fans club presale. Why grant such a monopoly? What, if you are not in the fans club you are less of a fan? In the end this is the result: a person -a fan like any other- ends up with the power to decide who gets that unfair benefit and who doesn't. And that stampede of fans trying to join the club/list that sundown talks about doesn't happen without giving them that unfair monopoly. So all in all this is the result of that very bad idea which is giving presale benefits to a group of people just because they are "formally" associated as a fans club. I'm sorry you had to go through such an experience, 10539 . Fuck the fans club presale! Let them buy tickets alongside the populace.
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Post by StrangeMagic on Nov 14, 2017 19:58:19 GMT
I think it's an awful idea to have a fans club presale. Why grant such a monopoly? What, if you are not in the fans club you are less of a fan? In the end this is the result: a person -a fan like any other- ends up with the power to decide who gets that unfair benefit and who doesn't. And that stampede of fans trying to join the club/list that sundown talks about doesn't happen without giving them that unfair monopoly. So all in all this is the result of that very bad idea which is giving presale benefits to a group of people just because they are "formally" associated as a fans club. I'm sorry you had to go through such an experience, 10539 . Fuck the fans club presale! Let them buy tickets alongside the populace. What you are saying sounds a lot like sour grapes. If Lynn let in all the people who applied right before tickets went on sale, half of them would probably be scalpers. I'm afraid many of the silent fan club members are already scalpers. Some of the tickets that were sold this morning are appearing on scalper sites now.
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Post by Helmut83 on Nov 14, 2017 21:51:51 GMT
I think it's an awful idea to have a fans club presale. Why grant such a monopoly? What, if you are not in the fans club you are less of a fan? In the end this is the result: a person -a fan like any other- ends up with the power to decide who gets that unfair benefit and who doesn't. And that stampede of fans trying to join the club/list that sundown talks about doesn't happen without giving them that unfair monopoly. So all in all this is the result of that very bad idea which is giving presale benefits to a group of people just because they are "formally" associated as a fans club. I'm sorry you had to go through such an experience, 10539 . Fuck the fans club presale! Let them buy tickets alongside the populace. What you are saying sounds a lot like sour grapes. If Lynn let in all the people who applied right before tickets went on sale, half of them would probably be scalpers. I'm afraid many of the silent fan club members are already scalpers. Some of the tickets that were sold this morning are appearing on scalper sites now. I'm not even trying to get a ticket, so no, not sour grapes. The reason I'm saying this is that I can't understand why those codes even exist, allowing some people to pay less than others; and on top of that why they are given to some people to administrate at their will. Instead of calling me sour grapes you could have tried an explanation for that.
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Post by StrangeMagic on Nov 14, 2017 22:05:03 GMT
What you are saying sounds a lot like sour grapes. If Lynn let in all the people who applied right before tickets went on sale, half of them would probably be scalpers. I'm afraid many of the silent fan club members are already scalpers. Some of the tickets that were sold this morning are appearing on scalper sites now. I'm not even trying to get a ticket, so no, not sour grapes. The reason I'm saying this is that I can't understand why those codes even exist, allowing some people to pay less than others; and on top of that why they are given to some people to administrate at their will. Instead of calling me sour grapes you could have tried an explanation for that. Oh, no. I think there's been a misunderstanding. The fan club codes don't allow members to pay less. They only allow early access to certain blocks of seats that are set aside for fan club members. They aren't the best seat in the house, either. I was very disappointed with my Wembley fan club presale tickets and ended up buying another one at the door. Sour grapes means "I don't want those grapes because they must be sour." It's not a criticism of you. It just sounded like you were putting something down that was inaccessible to you at the time.
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Post by Helmut83 on Nov 15, 2017 1:29:48 GMT
Yes, my mistake about paying less, sorry. I realized 5 minutes after I sent the message and left. Presale seats, that's it. The main point still stands though: it's a privilege, something that is accesible to a few and not to all, and by very arbitrary methods. It just sounded like you were putting something down that was inaccessible to you at the time. It's not the case, but even if it were I don't see how that would have made my point less valid. I don't need something to affect me in order to conclude it's unfair, I can realize it's unfair by seeing how it affects others. Look, I think what's unfair here is the fact that Jeff Lynne's management (or whoever) gives a limited amount of codes for presale, making those seats accesible only to a small group of people in a priority call. You yourself are using that term, "inaccesible", in your message. So this access is based on what? On having organized a fans list? On supposing that the lady on that site is more of a fan than any other of us? And the argument that every artist does it with their fans club doesn't satisfy me either: it's still unfair, a slap in the face of those fans who were waiting for this for decades but didn't happen to be on that lady's list or weren't aware of it's existence. They are giving a lot of power to a few people (or to one, as it seems is the case here) who distribute their privileges. And of course they do it however they like. I'm sure many friends and friends of friends got their code without having been on that list before others who didn't get it. The result of all this situation is people feel rightly excluded, angry, come up with complaints, etc... as happened with the person who started this thread (not to mention the forum gets flooded with new users who only sign up to get codes). Others are whistling low and look other way because they were on the benefitted side of this rigging, but they would be complaining equally if they had been on the wrong side. My point is: why give privileges? Why rate fans as "class A" and "class B"? Be fair with all fans, make only one call for everyone which opens this day at this time and let everyone try to get the seats they want in equal conditions.
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Post by raybram on Nov 15, 2017 15:02:11 GMT
I think it's an awful idea to have a fans club presale. Why grant such a monopoly? What, if you are not in the fans club you are less of a fan? In the end this is the result: a person -a fan like any other- ends up with the power to decide who gets that unfair benefit and who doesn't. And that stampede of fans trying to join the club/list that sundown talks about doesn't happen without giving them that unfair monopoly. So all in all this is the result of that very bad idea which is giving presale benefits to a group of people just because they are "formally" associated as a fans club. I'm sorry you had to go through such an experience, 10539 . Fuck the fans club presale! Let them buy tickets alongside the populace. What you are saying sounds a lot like sour grapes. If Lynn let in all the people who applied right before tickets went on sale, half of them would probably be scalpers. I'm afraid many of the silent fan club members are already scalpers. Some of the tickets that were sold this morning are appearing on scalper sites now.
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Post by raybram on Nov 15, 2017 15:05:28 GMT
So now it's up to Jeff and his management to take a leaf out of Ed Sheeran's book and invalidate any tickets that turn up online priced higher than the face value.
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Post by pikerman on Nov 15, 2017 15:07:00 GMT
I tried to join showdown mailing list years ago when nothing was happening on the elo front and nobody bothered to reply.ive been a fan since 1977 and have to wait for friday to apply for tickets while others seem to have secured there tickets already.like 10538 getting a bit dissolusioned with it all.
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Post by fernandoamado on Nov 20, 2017 15:57:01 GMT
I have a question. I had been sent an e-mail from Live Nation Concerts with a code for a pre-sale starting Wednesday, 11/15 at 5pm. I assume it was a benefit for having preordered the CD/Blu-ray bundle, as many Team Jeff's posts had stated before.
Was that code the same given to the Showdown mailing list members? Or was their benefit even more 'special'? That would make me very, very angry. I hate these privileges, always benefeciating people who have more money (because they could afford to preorder AND may afford buying a ticket before everyone else) or a particular section of the fan base (because they're on some stupid e-mail list —who the hell uses an e-mail list
Useless in the end, because I'm Argentinian and won't attend to any date.
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