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Post by elophile on Jul 9, 2017 15:04:43 GMT
Believe me, if you're only in your thirties, you probably have no idea what a mid-life crisis is! When it happens, you'll understand! I've had former students talk to me about a "quarter-life crisis" in their early twenties, but I just call that growing up! Not sure what's going on with you...  Nothing is going on with me, eloneen, don't worry, I was just kidding. So far I've only had specific problems in my life, no crisis related to a certain age per se. Still, your answer makes me wonder what happens at that other point in your life you are talking about that can never happen in your mid- thirties...  you can either have your youth or you can have a midlife crisis. You can't have it both ways.  jeez, can't you let us oldies have something just for ourselves? |
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Post by Helmut83 on Jul 9, 2017 17:36:32 GMT
elophile: youth? I'm so chuffed that you consider me a youngster that I'll let you have all the crisis you want just for yourself.
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Post by eloneen on Jul 10, 2017 2:09:18 GMT
A mid-life crisis can be lots of things, depending on the person This is why it called my attention that you were so sure to rule out a mid-life crisis for someone like me, in case I had been talking seriously. Having in mind it can depend on the person and it can be lots of things, couldn't I -or someone my age- have been going through some of that stuff? By biological you mean menopausia / andropausia? Also, what do you mean by existencial? Is it asking yourself about the meaning of our existence, why we are here and that sort of profoundly philosophical stuff? OK, I'm not a psychologist or a health professional, but here's my take on this - You will realize that you have reached the point where you have more yesterdays than tomorrows (I can't remember where I first heard that, but I like it). Probably around the same time, you will realize that your youthful body is no more, and that age has started to affect you in ways that you can't control. You may have more gray hair than you can count, you may put on more weight even though you are eating the same or less than before, and you may have health concerns and/or aches and pains that didn't exist before. Your own mortality may become a much more real thing at that point. You may take a hard look at your life so far: the decisions you've made, your accomplishments, your relationships, the things you've put off, your fears, and your hopes, and you may question them all, re-evaluate them, make some changes, completely change course, etc., wonder if you can have the life that you thought you wanted and if it's still worth pursuing. In response to all of this, some people make drastic changes that may or may not be productive and wise. Most people find a way through it without destroying everything in their lives they've built so far. All of this may or may not coincide with menopause/andropause, but it is midlife stuff as much as teenage angst is a part of adolescence! OK. Done. If this doesn't make sense, see elophile's post and just wait until you get older to find out for yourself!! What is this thread about anyway? |
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Post by Helmut83 on Jul 10, 2017 2:56:25 GMT
You will realize that you have reached the point where you have more yesterdays than tomorrows I liked this phrase too, and I can understand why being in such situation could be depressing. Maybe it's a matter of getting yourself some tomorrows too. I think the youthful body is no more at 25, that's when I perceived it at least, although as time goes by it goes getting worse. Talking about this, isn't it unfair how short the physical prime of human beings is? I mean, look at animals: dogs, cats, horses... their physical prime lasts from the point they are fully developed physically until one or two years before their deaths (in horses more, but they live a longer life), so it's like 70% of their lives. Instead, us humans are at our physical best from 18 to 25. That's 7 years, which is 10% of our lives or less. From that point on, it's slowly going down, down and down. Isn't it cruel? Nice insight overall, eloneen, thanks. What is this thread about anyway? This thread is about Jeff Lynne suffering a mid-life crisis because he shaved his head.  |
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Post by eloneen on Jul 10, 2017 3:06:24 GMT
You will realize that you have reached the point where you have more yesterdays than tomorrows I liked this phrase too, and I can understand why being in such situation could be depressing. Maybe it's a matter of getting yourself some tomorrows too. I think the youthful body is no more at 25, that's when I perceived it at least, although as time goes by it goes getting worse. Talking about this, isn't it unfair how short the physical prime of human beings is? I mean, look at animals: dogs, cats, horses... their physical prime lasts from the point they are fully developed physically until one or two years before their deaths (in horses more, but they live a longer life), so it's like 70% of their lives. Instead, us humans are at our physical best from 18 to 25. That's 7 years, which is 10% of our lives or less. From that point on, it's slowly going down, down and down. Isn't it cruel? Nice insight overall, eloneen , thanks. What is this thread about anyway? This thread is about Jeff Lynne suffering a mid-life crisis because he shaved his head. Honestly, apart from the gray hair, which has a cosmetic solution, I was doing well, until about 45, and then started having some health problems - nothing major, but nothing I could just forget about either. I was actually at my best in my 30s, I think! |
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Post by Helmut83 on Jul 10, 2017 3:14:47 GMT
Your best in your 30s, really? I feel mentally at my best now (yeah, I know you are thinking " if this is his best I don't want to know what his worst is!"  ): more mature, knowing how to handle situations better, etc... I've lost a bit of creativity though. Physically, I don't feel terrible, but I was waaay better in my late 10s, early 20s, no doubt about it. |
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Post by eloneen on Jul 10, 2017 3:19:52 GMT
Everyone's different! Since you seem to be on the fast track already, you may have your midlife "crisis" ahead of schedule, then!  (We have totally derailed this thread Helmut83!!) |
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Post by Helmut83 on Jul 10, 2017 4:08:24 GMT
On the other hand, people who don't know me almost always judge me to be younger than I am (not sure if by appearance or by immaturity ). Either way, I'm not anxious to have my midlife crisis. OK, let's leave the conversation here if we have derailed the thread too much. |
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Post by babyzoomer on Jul 10, 2017 13:23:41 GMT
On the other hand, people who don't know me almost always judge me to be younger than I am (not sure if by appearance or by immaturity ). Either way, I'm not anxious to have my midlife crisis. OK, let's leave the conversation here if we have derailed the thread too much. It's actually Chippa's thread.... and apparently he ain't objecting.
In any case the derailing (via midlife crisis) is really my fault.
But to be honest a thread consisting of "what JL would look like if he were bald" ain't all that constrained by convention (IMHO).
A bit of speculation & extrapolation is almost obligatory.
In less than 6 months JL will be 70; so whatever midlife crisis may have beset him, it is very definitely only visible in the rear-view mirror.
Other reasons for shaving your head:
The big C (let's hope nobody here has to face that one). Nits/headlice....those of us who work with (or indeed have) small kids will know this one! The desire to cover your head with 'ink'. Owning an expensive crash helmet that's a size too small....
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Post by queenofthehours on Jul 10, 2017 19:39:34 GMT
I don't think we've seen a beardless Jeff since he started wearing sunglasses apart from that little beard thing he acquired in the early 80s. , there was a series of photos (3 I think) of Jeff without beard from the mid-late '70s. I think you had seen them as well and even commented. I recall the way Jeff looked on those photos wasn't very popular among the lady forumheads. I think Jeff looks pretty good into those photos. Not his best but pretty good. But in those pics Jeff hasn't got his sunnies on. A beardless, sunglasses-wearing Jeff is just wrong in every way. |
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Post by Timeblue on Jul 10, 2017 22:40:15 GMT
Imagine bald, beardless, sunglasses-less Jeff? Nobody would know him. lol I'd wager that if Jeff walked down the road today,80% of folk wouldn't recognize him.... |
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Post by Timeblue on Jul 10, 2017 22:43:13 GMT
This is why it called my attention that you were so sure to rule out a mid-life crisis for someone like me, in case I had been talking seriously. Having in mind it can depend on the person and it can be lots of things, couldn't I -or someone my age- have been going through some of that stuff? By biological you mean menopausia / andropausia? Also, what do you mean by existencial? Is it asking yourself about the meaning of our existence, why we are here and that sort of profoundly philosophical stuff? OK, I'm not a psychologist or a health professional, but here's my take on this - You will realize that you have reached the point where you have more yesterdays than tomorrows (I can't remember where I first heard that, but I like it). Probably around the same time, you will realize that your youthful body is no more, and that age has started to affect you in ways that you can't control. You may have more gray hair than you can count, you may put on more weight even though you are eating the same or less than before, and you may have health concerns and/or aches and pains that didn't exist before. Your own mortality may become a much more real thing at that point. You may take a hard look at your life so far: the decisions you've made, your accomplishments, your relationships, the things you've put off, your fears, and your hopes, and you may question them all, re-evaluate them, make some changes, completely change course, etc., wonder if you can have the life that you thought you wanted and if it's still worth pursuing. In response to all of this, some people make drastic changes that may or may not be productive and wise. Most people find a way through it without destroying everything in their lives they've built so far. All of this may or may not coincide with menopause/andropause, but it is midlife stuff as much as teenage angst is a part of adolescence! OK. Done. If this doesn't make sense, see elophile 's post and just wait until you get older to find out for yourself!! What is this thread about anyway? Hey! I'm 53 and I'm expecting to live to 107 so I have more tomorrow's than yesterday's... |
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Post by Timeblue on Jul 10, 2017 22:44:28 GMT
But yes,I have more aches and pains,more grey hair (what's left of it,) etc etc..
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Post by babyzoomer on Jul 10, 2017 23:20:36 GMT
Hey! I'm 53 and I'm expecting to live to 107 so I have more tomorrow's than yesterday's... One thing I've noticed as I get older, is that the days seem shorter & shorter; when I was a boy (hmmm...good line for a song, that ) the days seemed endless - nowadays I just get out of bed and it's time to get in again.....by the time I am 70 or 95 they will probably zip by like coffee breaks.
So (perceptually) a mid-life crisis probably should occur in your 30's! After that, it's all downhill.
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Post by Helmut83 on Jul 11, 2017 0:02:25 GMT
But yes,I have more aches and pains,more grey hair (what's left of it,) etc etc.. Yeah, I was about to say something similar about my case: at this pace I don't think grey hair will be a problem because to have grey hair you must first have hair. |
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jeez, can't you let us oldies have something just for ourselves?
, but we're OK. 
Apparently it's quite hard to see them with the naked eye, you need to be looking through a camera or other type of lens?