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Post by unomusette on Jan 4, 2016 19:56:15 GMT
Doh! Can't read it because I refuse to join Facebook. I can maybe guess what the gist of it is though. Why are they arguing on that particular page and not either of their own I wonder? Must agree Horacewimp, how you must appreciate being in charge of us easygoing, harmonious forumheads instead....
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Post by 88keys on Jan 4, 2016 20:44:00 GMT
It sounds like Chris Groucutt is defending his father, which is totally understandable. But that doesn't mean Phil Bates still isn't a fame whore and leech. Fuck that guy.
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Post by Buttler on Jan 4, 2016 20:59:28 GMT
Wow... lol
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Post by LoserGoneWild on Jan 4, 2016 21:59:10 GMT
I think the whole thread on Chris Groucutt's FB page is - quite frankly - inflammatory and unsavoury. It's one thing to defend his father and I'm sure it's done out of loyalty to him. But it also appears designed to draw out the Jeff haters. If not then why come out with all that "the stuff I could tell you but won't" bullshit.
If you've got something to say, say it! Quit all this innuendo crap.
Then you have the "look I have the utmost respect for Jeff......but" line. If they did then they'd demonstrate that respect better by either keeping schtum and maintaining a dignified silence or actually coming out and saying what it is that is actually eating them. But we all know if they chose the latter they would be handing the moral high ground to Jeff on a plate. Which is why they won't. Far better to encourage the Jeff haters by keeping the innuendo going.
For what it's worth I loved Kelly. Great man. Great musician. I met him personally and he was a lovely gracious man but I'm not sure he would enjoy the encouragement of some of the vitriol. He was bigger than that. And for what it's worth I think Jeff is bigger than that. Not once have I actually read, heard or seen Jeff say anything bad or vitriolic about any former members. He he appears to want to maintain a dignified silence.
As for the somewhat fashionable claim that Jeff has never thanked or given credit to any of the bands contributors. Well go read the liner notes for Flashback. And when I hear Jeff recall some of those moments they were all together, apart from his dislike of the heavy touring schedule he does seem to recall some of those days with affection.
I will defend Jeff. Not because I am a sycophant but because I think some people are negatively dissing him just because they can and out of some misguided loyalty to former members and ELO Part 2. It's almost as if they blame Jeff for having the audacity to wind up the band in 1986. I don't know many fans who don't recognise the parts played by the former members of ELO down the years. And let's norms forget there were over 20 of them.
Jeff is human and far from perfect. And I doubt anyone recognises it more than Jeff himself. Clearly a humble man - and I have that first hand from some of those who now work with him. One of whom messaged me on Twitter "He's a lovely guy, shy and humble with a great sense of humour. And he knows his onions".
I think that probably sums it up more eloquently than those with a king-sized axe to grind and s chip on their shoulder the size of a second head.
As for Phil Bates? Probably been summed up better by others on here.
Rant over.
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Post by Chippa on Jan 4, 2016 22:58:54 GMT
LoserGoneWild, you've summed up my thoughts, exactly. Chris Groucutt is loyal to his dad- by all accounts a great guy, and obviously a talented musician- but he does seem to be stirring the pot with these comments. I'm not surprised at all that Phil Bates interjected his opinion, there. I have zero respect for him.
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Post by jackpunch on Jan 4, 2016 23:02:34 GMT
It's a free for all. Bates has a fb account !
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Post by tightrope on Jan 4, 2016 23:43:43 GMT
Excellent post blueskythinker. I like appreciate everyone who contributed to what ELO was and is. I am thankful for the great music they have shared with the world. I have absolutely no respect for Bates. He is lower than whale dung in my opinion.
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Post by BSJ on Jan 5, 2016 0:39:32 GMT
Kind of surprise at Thomas Welsh bothering with Bates. Thomas got a little testy.
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Post by skyclad1904 on Jan 5, 2016 1:03:29 GMT
Phil Bates claims, people know they are not going to see ELO, when they see his concerts...my experience tells me that the mayority thinks, they are going to see an ELO concert! He can not say, he doesn't know this...the posters always say, it's ELO...
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Post by jackpunch on Jan 5, 2016 18:02:57 GMT
Apologies if this is a bit naughty but here's my fb chat with PB
Me Howay Phil, lets be fair. Some people in Germany and Poland really do think they are going to see ELO. Now that might well be down to clever marketing/promo of your gigs. Perhaps if you made it clear that you are a tribute band by renaming yourself Electric Shite Orchestra performed by some bloke with a beard and sunglasses in an effort to look like Jeff Lynne, that might be fairer. But I guess that might not sell quite so many tickets. I appreciate that you may not always have control over all the advertising for all your gigs btw but because ELO were always a faceless band to the public, most people wouldnt have a clue whether Phil Bates, Jeff Lynne, or Chas out of Chas and Dave are the real front man of ELO. I guess your efforts are one of the reasons why ELO are now prefixed with JLs name. Like · More · 10 hours ago
Phil Bates Well at least you have confirmed that Mr Lynne doesn't have an exclusive on the beard and glasses look ....Chas Hodges has been doing it just as long. perhaps that's the next project ....Chas and Dave sing ELO ...I'd pay to see/hear that. I wonder, Mr Petherick, a) who you actually are, and b) how come you claim such definitive knowledge. Perhaps you can explain how you come to be such an authority because I have no idea who you are, and in fact do not care who you are or what your opinions are. But thanks for your authoritative contribution to this discussion/debate/bonfire of the vanities ...whatever you want to call it. I know who to come to when I want an opinion on som ething I know nothing about Like · 1 · More · 6 hours ago
Me Good man Mr Bates, but make your mind up, either you want to know or you dont care. And absolutely, I'm more than happy to share my opinion on cricket, NUFC, rugby, ELO, Crowded House, Neil Finn, Shostakovich 11, Tuba and Euphonium playing (i'm available at very reasonable rates). Indeed, the Ma Ma Ma Belle intro on distorted tuba is remarkable.and if you know anyone who can sort out why rain is coming thro my utility room ceiling I'd be most grateful if you would be so kind as to share their details as my bucket is getting full very quickly
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Post by nickheynes on Jan 5, 2016 18:24:36 GMT
Personally speaking ,although I'd be quite happy for Mr Bates to vacate the stage I can't see that happening while there are enough ill-informed punters around to pay to see him play. It seems to be a futile argument to try and persuade him or his management/promoters to explicitly publicise the fact that his ELO is not the real one.I sort of wish everyone would shut the hell up about it.The guy (in my opinion) is trading on somebody else's reputation . He isn't the first and he won't be the last. He seems to be a little on the arrogant side if you ask me.And he doesn't seem to be about to stop being "ELO".
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Post by nickheynes on Jan 5, 2016 18:28:19 GMT
"They segued Standin' In The Rain into Mr Blue Sky including, for the first time ever, the full orchestral ending that Jeff Lynne's ELO now play. They introduced previously unheard (on stage) songs to the set such as All Over The World, Xanadu, Getting To The Point and Midnight Blue. Phil Bates was pivotal in making this happen and quite excellent in delivering it all on stage."
I saw a Queen tribute band recreate Bohemian Rhapsody onstage. Including all the Operatic bits that Queen couldn't do. They were bloody brilliant But they weren't Queen
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Post by nickheynes on Jan 6, 2016 8:21:37 GMT
When I say Arrogant this is what I mean! This is a direct quote lifted from Mr Bates website.
"Phil Bates, singer and guitarist of ELECTRIC LIGHT ORCHESTRA PART II, and as such, Jeff Lynne’s direct replacement"
having said that this paragraph also appears:"To all music enthousiasts and fans of the Electric Light Orchestra and Electric Light Orchestra Part 2! The projects "Electric Light Orchestra Klassik performed by Phil Bates & the Berlin String Ensemble", "The Music of the Electric Light Orchestra performed by Phil Bates & Band" und "ELO acoustic and more performed by Phil Bates Trio" do not intend or wish to give the impression of being the original Electric Light Orchestra or Electric Light Orchestra Part 2 or any substitute for them. That is, as everyone is aware, impossible. We are lucky to have one original band member of ELO Part 2, Phil Bates. We do intend to present this unique band’s music to a broadly based audience. However, we expressly dissociate ourselves from all attempts to equate these three projects with the original Electric Light Orchestra or Electric Light Orchestra Part 2."
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Post by janne on Jan 6, 2016 9:30:33 GMT
When I say Arrogant this is what I mean! This is a direct quote lifted from Mr Bates website. "Phil Bates, singer and guitarist of ELECTRIC LIGHT ORCHESTRA PART II, and as such, Jeff Lynne’s direct replacement" having said that this paragraph also appears:"To all music enthousiasts and fans of the Electric Light Orchestra and Electric Light Orchestra Part 2! The projects "Electric Light Orchestra Klassik performed by Phil Bates & the Berlin String Ensemble", "The Music of the Electric Light Orchestra performed by Phil Bates & Band" und "ELO acoustic and more performed by Phil Bates Trio" do not intend or wish to give the impression of being the original Electric Light Orchestra or Electric Light Orchestra Part 2 or any substitute for them. That is, as everyone is aware, impossible. We are lucky to have one original band member of ELO Part 2, Phil Bates. We do intend to present this unique band’s music to a broadly based audience. However, we expressly dissociate ourselves from all attempts to equate these three projects with the original Electric Light Orchestra or Electric Light Orchestra Part 2." "Jeff Lynne's direct replacement"? That's like saying you can replace Lemmy in Motörhead.
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Post by nickheynes on Jan 6, 2016 14:30:50 GMT
It's all a load of codswallop!
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