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Post by tightrope on Nov 21, 2015 17:48:32 GMT
I loved Bev and the so called "Classic" lineup but the current is my favorite simply because Jeff loves playing with them so much and a happy Jeff is a touring Jeff! I will add I hope for the main tour he brings Miss Allen back. She is among the best I've heard playing the violin and is of coarse serious eye candy.
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Post by Timeblue on Nov 21, 2015 19:28:14 GMT
I loved Bev and the so called "Classic" lineup but the current is my favorite simply because Jeff loves playing with them so much and a happy Jeff is a touring Jeff! I will add I hope for the main tour he brings Miss Allen back. She is among the best I've heard playing the violin and is of coarse serious eye candy. No doubt Jeff enjoyed the classic line up in the beginning....
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Post by thewordsofaaron on Nov 21, 2015 19:58:48 GMT
In terms of musically ability the current band is miles ahead of any previous version of the band. Christ, Bev could barely keep time he was so poor. i think these criticisms have been aimed at various drummers over the years from different groups...i suppose the most famed is ringo...but he was the drummer the beatles needed, after all, they had at least 8 or 9 years with him, they could have got rid of him any time.....Bev is a slightly different case i suppose, being, at that point, a one third, or by then possibly half, share holder in the name elo....maybe Jeff could have bought him out then?.... i think Bev has always been fair in assessing his own drumming and very much realises there were and are better drummers, see his book, that didnt, wouldnt and wont make it....that is the music industry for you i suppose..... i know there is at least one track that he acknowledges that slows down as they get through it....im sure someone will point to that track, but again he mentions it in his book..... it may be good to acknowledge that he did go on to play for Sabbath as well.... Of course, he is also given credit for writing Turkish Tram Conductor Blues for the Move....which is a fabulous track......
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Post by tightrope on Nov 22, 2015 0:57:47 GMT
I loved Bev and the so called "Classic" lineup but the current is my favorite simply because Jeff loves playing with them so much and a happy Jeff is a touring Jeff! I will add I hope for the main tour he brings Miss Allen back. She is among the best I've heard playing the violin and is of coarse serious eye candy. No doubt Jeff enjoyed the classic line up in the beginning.... Absolutely but there is little chance everyone would mesh now after all that transpired. I think if Bev had been patient while Jeff had his "fling" with the Wilburys, they would have regrouped in the early 90's. It is what it is and everyone has moved on except for a those fans with an unrealistic idea that bands should never change or evolve.
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Post by jackpunch on Nov 23, 2015 3:53:05 GMT
In terms of musically ability the current band is miles ahead of any previous version of the band. Christ, Bev could barely keep time he was so poor. I get the impression that you are not a fan of Sir Bev... Eh....... no! Comes across as a recent decent guy, but his percussion skills are limited.
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Post by Timeblue on Nov 23, 2015 23:16:21 GMT
I get the impression that you are not a fan of Sir Bev... Eh....... no! Comes across as a recent decent guy, but his percussion skills are limited. Only recent? was he not a good guy in the early days? lol
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Post by jackpunch on Nov 24, 2015 12:34:34 GMT
Eh....... no! Comes across as a recent decent guy, but his percussion skills are limited. Only recent? was he not a good guy in the early days? lol Can't work out what's happened there. That was supposed to be "really decent guy". Quite where recent came into it I've got no idea. I was listening to a recording of Standing in the Rain 78, Wembley Arena the other day, and I'm convinced he comes in early. Quiet how the rest of the band can work out what's going on I've got no idea. Perhaps they couldn't really hear the "live" on stage sound very well but got more of the Out of the blue recording through their monitors. I have read on numerous occasions that the space ship was bilge to play in. Regardless of the above, I read somewhere (it might of been on here or the previous incarnation) that BB was pretty much reduced to the role of tea boy in the later years. I also read somewhere that Don't bring me down was entirely a JL recording and the rest of the band contributed nowt (not sure whether that's right or not of course). His drumming style lacked touch or finesse I think is the best way of putting it. He's no Glen Kotche that's for sure !
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Post by thewordsofaaron on Nov 24, 2015 14:44:49 GMT
Only recent? was he not a good guy in the early days? lol Can't work out what's happened there. That was supposed to be "really decent guy". Quite where recent came into it I've got no idea. I was listening to a recording of Standing in the Rain 78, Wembley Arena the other day, and I'm convinced he comes in early. Quiet how the rest of the band can work out what's going on I've got no idea. Perhaps they couldn't really hear the "live" on stage sound very well but got more of the Out of the blue recording through their monitors. I have read on numerous occasions that the space ship was bilge to play in. Regardless of the above, I read somewhere (it might of been on here or the previous incarnation) that BB was pretty much reduced to the role of tea boy in the later years. I also read somewhere that Don't bring me down was entirely a JL recording and the rest of the band contributed nowt (not sure whether that's right or not of course). His drumming style lacked touch or finesse I think is the best way of putting it. He's no Glen Kotche that's for sure ! I think everyone was reduced to tea boy...or less if you happened to play a cello or violin... Bev didn't play on that track, I think it was Jeff only. I've already pointed out that Bev knows his limitations and abilities...compared to some he is great...to others, not so great. Everyone knows that, including Bev. But you have to accept he was the drummer. It doesn't matter what you think, nor me. He was the drummer. Jeff tried to change it with his re recordings...but to many, possibly most, the original recordings on all the albums are best. Whoever played on them.
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Post by dillwyn on Nov 24, 2015 14:53:00 GMT
Only recent? was he not a good guy in the early days? lol Can't work out what's happened there. That was supposed to be "really decent guy". Quite where recent came into it I've got no idea. I was listening to a recording of Standing in the Rain 78, Wembley Arena the other day, and I'm convinced he comes in early. Quiet how the rest of the band can work out what's going on I've got no idea. Perhaps they couldn't really hear the "live" on stage sound very well but got more of the Out of the blue recording through their monitors. I have read on numerous occasions that the space ship was bilge to play in. Regardless of the above, I read somewhere (it might of been on here or the previous incarnation) that BB was pretty much reduced to the role of tea boy in the later years. I also read somewhere that Don't bring me down was entirely a JL recording and the rest of the band contributed nowt (not sure whether that's right or not of course). His drumming style lacked touch or finesse I think is the best way of putting it. He's no Glen Kotche that's for sure ! I thought the DBMB drums was a loop extract of 'on the run' drums
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Post by jackpunch on Nov 24, 2015 17:02:18 GMT
Can't work out what's happened there. That was supposed to be "really decent guy". Quite where recent came into it I've got no idea. I was listening to a recording of Standing in the Rain 78, Wembley Arena the other day, and I'm convinced he comes in early. Quiet how the rest of the band can work out what's going on I've got no idea. Perhaps they couldn't really hear the "live" on stage sound very well but got more of the Out of the blue recording through their monitors. I have read on numerous occasions that the space ship was bilge to play in. Regardless of the above, I read somewhere (it might of been on here or the previous incarnation) that BB was pretty much reduced to the role of tea boy in the later years. I also read somewhere that Don't bring me down was entirely a JL recording and the rest of the band contributed nowt (not sure whether that's right or not of course). His drumming style lacked touch or finesse I think is the best way of putting it. He's no Glen Kotche that's for sure ! I think everyone was reduced to tea boy...or less if you happened to play a cello or violin... Bev didn't play on that track, I think it was Jeff only. I've already pointed out that Bev knows his limitations and abilities...compared to some he is great...to others, not so great. Everyone knows that, including Bev. But you have to accept he was the drummer. It doesn't matter what you think, nor me. He was the drummer. Jeff tried to change it with his re recordings...but to many, possibly most, the original recordings on all the albums are best. Whoever played on them. Absolutely mate, accept he was the drummer and when I was a boy, I thought he was brill. However, once I learned how to play a few musical instruments reasonably well and played with some really brilliant drummers I realized how absolutely guff he was. Having said all that, it didn't matter a jot how bad he was because it worked out so fine for ELO regardless. And for that I'm grateful, regardless of the fact that he wouldn't play in my third XI. Actually, whilst we're on the subject of the musicianship. I have to say that there's a couple of cracking guitar breaks on the new album and a couple of right duffers. Dirty to the bone is rotten. whilst the short break in All my life is sublime. Bizarrely inconsistent.
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Post by janne on Nov 24, 2015 18:32:19 GMT
Well...
Jeff Lynne Bev Bevan Richard Tandy Mik Kaminski Mike Edwards Hugh McDowell Michael de Albuquerque
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Post by thewordsofaaron on Nov 24, 2015 20:41:24 GMT
I think everyone was reduced to tea boy...or less if you happened to play a cello or violin... Bev didn't play on that track, I think it was Jeff only. I've already pointed out that Bev knows his limitations and abilities...compared to some he is great...to others, not so great. Everyone knows that, including Bev. But you have to accept he was the drummer. It doesn't matter what you think, nor me. He was the drummer. Jeff tried to change it with his re recordings...but to many, possibly most, the original recordings on all the albums are best. Whoever played on them. Absolutely mate, accept he was the drummer and when I was a boy, I thought he was brill. However, once I learned how to play a few musical instruments reasonably well and played with some really brilliant drummers I realized how absolutely guff he was. Having said all that, it didn't matter a jot how bad he was because it worked out so fine for ELO regardless. And for that I'm grateful, regardless of the fact that he wouldn't play in my third XI. Actually, whilst we're on the subject of the musicianship. I have to say that there's a couple of cracking guitar breaks on the new album and a couple of right duffers. Dirty to the bone is rotten. whilst the short break in All my life is sublime. Bizarrely inconsistent. i know you wouldnt want him to play in your third XI...er...i hate to say it but i dont think he would get off his a*se to do so either...so maybe a win-win situation there... lol
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Post by thewordsofaaron on Nov 24, 2015 20:42:19 GMT
maybe someone should start a for or against thread for Bev....
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Post by jackpunch on Nov 24, 2015 21:48:40 GMT
Only thing is, the current incarnation of the live band,looks like its XI plus subs there's that many of them. Must be a nightmare sorting the sound out
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Post by dillwyn on Nov 25, 2015 0:03:35 GMT
The Mike Stevens backing band (because that what they are) are hugely experienced ...if you look at their CV's on their various sites or Wikipedia, these guys are top draw session/live players. MS has a huge part in the success of this live comeback and getting blend cannot be that hard when they have played together for so long. Check out this sound on sound article from 2012 as an example...look at the band it looks pretty much unchanged. www.soundonsound.com/sos/dec12/articles/mike-stevens.htmthe biggest difference for me is the voice blend (up to 6 voices at some points), unlined by 3 keyboardists and if you look closely that jl is actually playing very little guitar and concentrating on singing all this on top of a high quality rhythm unit... the best way to do it when probably having to accommodate little rehearsal time with JL and RT
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