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Post by BSJ on Sept 12, 2015 18:19:59 GMT
Just read on US Amazon that "Roll Over Beethoven" is not on the US Blu-Ray. And the timeing might be cut.
Anyone have more info?
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Post by Horacewimp on Sept 12, 2015 18:30:31 GMT
I've just read that as well BSJ it would seem it's not on the USA or Canada version, possibly because of copyright issues?? I can confirm its on the UK Blu-Ray and the disc is labeled region Zero.
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Post by BSJ on Sept 12, 2015 18:38:23 GMT
You could be right, we're region A/One. You read as well that Eagle Rock did this with other artists. Not happy!!!! Good to read you giving a thumbs up!
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Post by janne on Sept 18, 2015 18:06:56 GMT
Just looking at the DVD, and one thing strikes me from the previous time I saw it; we seem to be hearing a lot of pre-recorded stuff. I know there's tons of musicians on stage, still - there are parts that definitely sounds pre-recorded or perhaps enhanced on the soundtrack afterwards (for the DVD).
What's everyone's take on that one?
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Post by ShardEnder on Sept 18, 2015 22:45:24 GMT
I'm not sure if this has been edited out of the Blu-ray, but on the original broadcast there was a brief shot of a laptop that appeared to confirm at least some of the instruments were indeed pre-recorded. If you compare Mr. Blue Sky with the previous Children In Need performance and Jeff's solo remake, they all match up perfectly in terms of timing along with a few musical details. Coincidence? Apart from many of the other songs from the Mr. Blue Sky album having "tape" (well, more likely hard drive) elements in the mix, it's rumoured that large portions of All Over The World were also canned, and we already know that Jeff's remade Steppin' Out. I wouldn't be surprised if Handle With Care and Roll Over Beethoven ended up being the only truly live songs played at Hyde Park, since it's likely the planned follow-up to Mr. Blue Sky would have included at least something from the '80s ELO albums, meaning Rock 'N' Roll Is King may have featured some help from a studio remake as well.
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Post by LoserGoneWild on Sept 19, 2015 18:49:11 GMT
Okay, let me shed some light on this whole sound/backing tapes thing.
An old school friend of mine is a sound engineer who now works for the BBC and has been involved with the Radio 2 Hyde Park Festival In A Day for the past three years and worked on the ELO gig. I asked him about this very subject and he was slightly irked about what he believes is now something of a myth. According to him few artists use pre-recorded backing music these days due the the advance of technology. I can tell you that no backing tapes were used during this gig, nor was any of the backing music pre-recorded. There was, however, a significant use of samplers - common practice at live gigs nowadays that enable the artist to get pretty close to the original recorded sound.
Samplers are basically recording or sound reproduction software that allowed you to replicate a sound - such as an orchestra, an instrument or a choir. You can record a sound sample and feed it into the programme. Most software packages now come pre-programmed with choral and string sounds. This is then usually programmed through a laptop to obtain the the sound you need and then linked into the keyboard and programmed in. Hence the appearance of the laptops on stage at Hyde Park. The player then simply presses the button required on the main keyboard to select the sound they need at that point. Some can have several sounds going at the same time.
There were three keyboard players at Hyde Park, two of them used to replicate some string and choral sounds. Most noticeable on 10538 Overture (grinding cello and French Horn) and Can't Get It Out Of My Head. In fact on the latter if you look at the keyboard player when he comes into shot during the instrumental break in the song you can clearly see him playing the key strokes for the choral effects. The choral sampler was used on a lot of songs. Jeff himself is now considering the live tours again because of the effect that samplers have on the live sound. Here is his quote from a recent Interview:
"It used to be murder in the old days but now - with samplers - you can reproduce the sound on stage without having to take a thirty piece orchestra with you".
Jeff also uses samplers extensively on both the Mr Blue Sky and Long Wave albums to reproduce string and choral backing. And he used an early sampler to "fly in" John Lennons voice on Free as a Bird.
Jeff is a little paranoid about backing tapes after some of the wrong accusations after the early Wembley 1978 videos, where the director Mike Mansfield dubbed some of the album back in. The only use of backing tapes was played at a low level to enable the band to keep time. But Jeff is relaxed about the use of samplers.
As for the DVD sound. It's fair to say the sound has been tidied up but nothing has been recorded back in. The original quality of the BBC recording worked for the TV showing but needed sharpening for the DVD.
So in short - the entire set was live and you are now hearing it as those of us lucky enough to be there on the night heard it - without the muffled "mono" sound of the TV production.
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Post by nickheynes on Sept 23, 2015 14:07:37 GMT
Thanks for that Blue sky thinker. I for one have no problem with samplers being used. I'ved used one myself.I actually thought that they'd have to use samplers for this gig. I think I noticed it particularly in Rock and Roll is King(the "wham a lam a" bit.)One thing I did notice in the bit of the dvd I've watched is that the audience sounds were dialled down a bit. Or is that just my poor hearing?
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Post by LoserGoneWild on Sept 23, 2015 18:29:22 GMT
Thanks for that Blue sky thinker. I for one have no problem with samplers being used. I'ved used one myself.I actually thought that they'd have to use samplers for this gig. I think I noticed it particularly in Rock and Roll is King(the "wham a lam a" bit.)One thing I did notice in the bit of the dvd I've watched is that the audience sounds were dialled down a bit. Or is that just my poor hearing? No it's not your poor hearing. The crowd were singing along all night - and loudly too. It was a great atmosphere. The best I've ever known at a gig. You could feel the warmth of the crowd and the atmosphere was electric. And when Jeff walked on it was deafening - 50,000 all cheering him on. They were with Jeff all the way.
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Post by nickheynes on Sept 23, 2015 18:44:40 GMT
Thanks for that Blue sky thinker. I for one have no problem with samplers being used. I'ved used one myself.I actually thought that they'd have to use samplers for this gig. I think I noticed it particularly in Rock and Roll is King(the "wham a lam a" bit.)One thing I did notice in the bit of the dvd I've watched is that the audience sounds were dialled down a bit. Or is that just my poor hearing? No it's not your poor hearing. The crowd were singing along all night - and loudly too. It was a great atmosphere. The best I've ever known at a gig. You could feel the warmth of the crowd and the atmosphere was electric. And when Jeff walked on it was deafening - 50,000 all cheering him on. They were with Jeff all the way. I know. I was there! It was just that when I watched it on the I player the crowd was noisier ☺
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Post by LoserGoneWild on Sept 23, 2015 18:48:55 GMT
No it's not your poor hearing. The crowd were singing along all night - and loudly too. It was a great atmosphere. The best I've ever known at a gig. You could feel the warmth of the crowd and the atmosphere was electric. And when Jeff walked on it was deafening - 50,000 all cheering him on. They were with Jeff all the way. I know. I was there! It was just that when I watched it on the I player the crowd was noisier ☺ Funnily enough I thought on the DVD the crowd was louder. Must be your hearing LOL.
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Post by nickheynes on Oct 6, 2015 14:48:49 GMT
As a note of interest I was at Hyde Park this year to see Rod Stewart and I don't think that the crowd was anywhere near as enthusiastic as they were for Jeff last year. Maybe it's because Rodders tours a lot or because he didn't play a lot of his hits (no Maggie May or I don't want to talk about it! for e.g)I don't know, but I got a distinct feeling of "meh"! from a lot of the fans around me.
I do so wish Jeff and his team would get around to announcing dates for next Spring!!
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