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Post by Horacewimp on Nov 30, 2015 20:04:58 GMT
Has anyone actually said anything inflammatory here or is it just two people expressing opposite opinions on an artist's work? Maybe it's just me but I can't for the life of me see what anyone has said that is so wrong. If someone wants to criticise Jeff's work they are entitled to do so. Similarly those who enjoy the latest offering are also entitled. I personally disagree with every single word of Helmut's review and with some of his comments since. But I respect his right to say it. Similarly "Aaron" should be free to disagree however tongue in cheek his response may have been. So speaking as a neutral aren't we overreacting just a tad? I agree with open speech and discussion but the same individual has made derogatory remarks on other threads which makes me believe the response above is not tongue in cheek but was posted to cause confrontation.
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Post by LoserGoneWild on Nov 30, 2015 20:48:38 GMT
Has anyone actually said anything inflammatory here or is it just two people expressing opposite opinions on an artist's work? Maybe it's just me but I can't for the life of me see what anyone has said that is so wrong. If someone wants to criticise Jeff's work they are entitled to do so. Similarly those who enjoy the latest offering are also entitled. I personally disagree with every single word of Helmut's review and with some of his comments since. But I respect his right to say it. Similarly "Aaron" should be free to disagree however tongue in cheek his response may have been. So speaking as a neutral aren't we overreacting just a tad? I agree with open speech and discussion but the same individual has made derogatory remarks on other threads which makes me believe the response above is not tongue in cheek but was posted to cause confrontation. I still don't see it to be honest and I don't actually recall reading anything which came across as derogatory - from any contributor on here. But okay, fine. But maybe this Sort of thing should be played out in private? Just saying.
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Post by LoserGoneWild on Nov 30, 2015 20:53:37 GMT
LoserGoneWild : I was answering a question by other user seriously and respectfully. That response I got (a laughing smiley) is not a tongue-in-cheek response as you said, that's plain and simple mocking. Hmmm. Okay if That's how you read it. Maybe we all need to just lighten up a little?
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Post by Helmut83 on Nov 30, 2015 21:06:01 GMT
Maybe we all need to just lighten up a little? Sure it's easy to say it when you don't have a guy who is constantly posting after you on the forum and on YouTube. I was willing to end with this nonesense since the beginning. It wasn't me who was looking for a fight when I posted that comment replying to Tightrope's question last night.
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Post by Horacewimp on Nov 30, 2015 21:13:30 GMT
I have had my say on the subject, lets all move on and get back on topic.
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Post by LoserGoneWild on Nov 30, 2015 21:13:53 GMT
Maybe we all need to just lighten up a little? Sure it's easy to say it when you don't have a guy who is constantly posting after you on the forum and on YouTube. I was willing to end with this nonesense since the beginning. It wasn't me who was looking for a fight when I posted that comment replying to Tightrope's question last night. Well I can't comment on the YouTube comments because I haven't read them - only what's on here. But Helmut83 if you really feel that way (and I'm not trying to tell you how to suck eggs here) but in my experience often the best way to deal with it is laugh it off in private and not give people the satisfaction of responding in public. And you could also complain to the moderator if you haven't already done so.
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Post by Helmut83 on Nov 30, 2015 21:20:38 GMT
No, I didn't complain to the moderator. He's had enough, LoserGoneWild , so let's do as he says, let's move on and get back on topic, hopefully there will be no more aggressions and we'll continue to talk about "Alone in the Universe", Jeff Lynne's new album. PS: in any case, if there's anything left you want to tell me about the matter, you can send me a private message.
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Post by LoserGoneWild on Nov 30, 2015 21:23:15 GMT
Not really. I'd rather get back on topic.
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Post by bmac on Dec 1, 2015 0:44:09 GMT
I want to add one quick thing to this discussion. I sometimes frequented a Bruce Springsteen message board because I love Bruces music. I stopped going simply because I could not deal with the negativity any longer. I could justify spending some time posting there because Bruce is a passion of mine, but I could not justify spending time in a place with so much negative energy. This place, until now, has been nothing but positive. Perhaps I have just not been around long enough to notice any negativity. I have not really read what started all of this and who the culprit(s) is/are. What I will say is this. I have always considered these types of places to be where people go to appreciate an artists work. Have never understood why people would feel the need to post if they don't like something, although I understand that perhaps they just want to balance out the generally positive reviews with their honest feelings in the other direction. Provide some balance. Of course how they do it is always an important distinction. We are almost never upset when people agree with our assessments. It is when they don't that things can get a bit hairy. My suggestion is simple and one we have all heard in form or another. The moment you see someone has written something you think crosses a line you can inform the moderator is you like. Otherwise just ignore it. Perhaps there is a way for you to block that persons posts. Otherwise just pretend the posts aren't even there. If someone is really looking for trouble they will go elsewhere if they are ignored. I know this will sound a bit silly, but when you do this you become a stronger person. Not giving into the temptation to respond to a troublemaker takes some resolve. You will be all the better for it. Ok, so what I added was actually not so quick like I promised it would be. I just really enjoy this forum and I do not want it to become what other forums have and have all the joy sucked out of it. Especially with all the wonderful things that have been happening with Jeff.
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Post by Horacewimp on Dec 1, 2015 8:47:47 GMT
I want to add one quick thing to this discussion. I sometimes frequented a Bruce Springsteen message board because I love Bruces music. I stopped going simply because I could not deal with the negativity any longer. I could justify spending some time posting there because Bruce is a passion of mine, but I could not justify spending time in a place with so much negative energy. This place, until now, has been nothing but positive. Perhaps I have just not been around long enough to notice any negativity. I have not really read what started all of this and who the culprit(s) is/are. What I will say is this. I have always considered these types of places to be where people go to appreciate an artists work. Have never understood why people would feel the need to post if they don't like something, although I understand that perhaps they just want to balance out the generally positive reviews with their honest feelings in the other direction. Provide some balance. Of course how they do it is always an important distinction. We are almost never upset when people agree with our assessments. It is when they don't that things can get a bit hairy. My suggestion is simple and one we have all heard in form or another. The moment you see someone has written something you think crosses a line you can inform the moderator is you like. Otherwise just ignore it. Perhaps there is a way for you to block that persons posts. Otherwise just pretend the posts aren't even there. If someone is really looking for trouble they will go elsewhere if they are ignored. I know this will sound a bit silly, but when you do this you become a stronger person. Not giving into the temptation to respond to a troublemaker takes some resolve. You will be all the better for it. Ok, so what I added was actually not so quick like I promised it would be. I just really enjoy this forum and I do not want it to become what other forums have and have all the joy sucked out of it. Especially with all the wonderful things that have been happening with Jeff. Thank you for you wise words bmac
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Post by Chippa on Dec 3, 2015 20:25:09 GMT
3.5 stars from Rolling Stone. www.rollingstone.com/music/albumreviews/jeff-lynnes-elo-alone-in-the-universe-20151202Electric Light Orchestra's symphonic pop has influenced acts from Flaming Lips to Daft Punk. Yet only one man can sound exactly like ELO, and that's its leader Jeff Lynne, whose effusive sonic stamp radiates through the hits he helmed and helped write for Tom Petty, Roy Orbison, the Travelling Wilburys and others. Despite a few recent production gigs for Joe Walsh and Bryan Adams, though, Lynne's skills haven't been properly showcased in years: His previous album, 2012's Long Wave, was comprised of covers, and the last proper ELO record came out way back in 2001. As its title suggests, Alone in the Universe is a thoroughly solo affair: Aside from some percussion by his engineer and background vocals by his daughter Laura Lynne, the maestro plays and provides everything else. The shortcomings of this DIY approach sometimes show up in the lyrics. In contrast to ELO's early prog-rock sprawl, Alone is bracingly succinct both in words and music. This can be refreshing, but it's a problem on the cliché-ridden "Dirty to the Bone" (rhymes with "She'll deceive you till the cows come home"), which would have benefited from a more critical partner in the studio. That gaffe is particularly jarring because it comes in the midst of warm, graceful ballads like "The Sun Will Shine" and "When the Night Comes," where Lynne's trademark sense of wonder is in full effect. His strings may be synthesized, but uptempo cuts like "One Step at a Time" blend Seventies R&B rhythms with Beatle-derived harmonies in a style so true to his classics that you might almost believe that Lynne has reunited his old band. Until that happens, this reassuringly ELO-like record is the next best livin' thing. Read more: www.rollingstone.com/music/albumreviews/jeff-lynnes-elo-alone-in-the-universe-20151202#ixzz3tI7z8VE3 Follow us: @rollingstone on Twitter | RollingStone on Facebook
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Post by dillwyn on Dec 3, 2015 23:29:06 GMT
goodish review ... can't help feeling he doesn't quite get it. Although I obviously agree with the lyric comment for that track
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Post by Helmut83 on Dec 4, 2015 2:52:08 GMT
Yeah, the lyrics were quite an improvable point on many songs I think (probably "Fault Line", while not being a climax of poetry, may have one of the most original set of lyrics on the album).
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Post by Horacewimp on Dec 4, 2015 14:52:56 GMT
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Post by LoserGoneWild on Dec 4, 2015 15:33:36 GMT
Not a bad one. The only problem was that I wanted her to shut up prattling so I could hear a bit more of Jeff.
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