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Post by helli on Nov 23, 2022 1:51:39 GMT
haha - it's funny - but i was kinda expecting a real deep vocal analysis. She is very happy about the song, her headphones and the strings, and she has never heard of a vocoder but what little she actually says about the singing is fitting. Definitely nice to watch the video. edit: I found out that she is actually a very successful good opera singer and vocal coach - these reaction videos are apparently her fun project. That means when she talks about singing voices, she knows what she's saying.
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Post by cleldo on Nov 23, 2022 16:12:35 GMT
Love The Charismatic Voice on youtube, as you say she absolutely knows what she is talking about, and am glad to see her review ELO
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Post by moon on Nov 25, 2022 1:18:07 GMT
It's one of the few songs where Kelly's voice is SO clear. You can listen clearly to the Jeff and Kelly voices and they're easy to sing by separate ways. I enjoy singing Kelly's part! What about Bev's one? He's credited with backing vocals on OOTB, but is he singing on Mr Blue Sky too?
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Post by helli on Nov 25, 2022 1:44:30 GMT
maybe the lowest octave in the first chorus line is Bev ?
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Post by cleldo on Nov 25, 2022 8:38:16 GMT
Didn't Bev join in the animalk noises in Jungle, if that counts as vocals
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Post by tightrope on Nov 25, 2022 15:28:13 GMT
It's one of the few songs where Kelly's voice is SO clear. You can listen clearly to the Jeff and Kelly voices and they're easy to sing by separate ways. I enjoy singing Kelly's part! What about Bev's one? He's credited with backing vocals on OOTB, but is he singing on Mr Blue Sky too? I hear Bev very clearly on Mr Blue Sky. He never got the praise he deserved from fans as far as backing vocals IMO.
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Post by lawrev on Nov 26, 2022 11:03:03 GMT
It's one of the few songs where Kelly's voice is SO clear. You can listen clearly to the Jeff and Kelly voices and they're easy to sing by separate ways. I enjoy singing Kelly's part! What about Bev's one? He's credited with backing vocals on OOTB, but is he singing on Mr Blue Sky too? I hear Bev very clearly on Mr Blue Sky. He never got the praise he deserved from fans as far as backing vocals IMO. I completely agree. But other members (except Richard), especially Kelly, never got the praise they should have.
But then again, ELO was only Jeff - per Don Arden, Jeff is the only one that mattered. And it was that attitude which drove wedges within the band, leading to the wimpering end of ELO.
I wonder if, when Jeff passes, his last testament directs that all archival material in his control showing the contributions of all members must be destroyed. I wouldn't be surprised.
Given that Jeff is such a control freak, I assume he would not want any of his archival material to be released, to be locked away forever.
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Post by tightrope on Nov 26, 2022 18:10:56 GMT
I hear Bev very clearly on Mr Blue Sky. He never got the praise he deserved from fans as far as backing vocals IMO. I completely agree. But other members (except Richard), especially Kelly, never got the praise they should have.
But then again, ELO was only Jeff - per Don Arden, Jeff is the only one that mattered. And it was that attitude which drove wedges within the band, leading to the wimpering end of ELO.
I wonder if, when Jeff passes, his last testament directs that all archival material in his control showing the contributions of all members must be destroyed. I wouldn't be surprised.
Given that Jeff is such a control freak, I assume he would not want any of his archival material to be released, to be locked away forever.
Kelly got plenty of praise from fans as well as Jeff. His disloyalty as perceived by Jeff was the wedge that drove the band apart.
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Post by lawrev on Nov 27, 2022 11:08:21 GMT
I completely agree. But other members (except Richard), especially Kelly, never got the praise they should have.
But then again, ELO was only Jeff - per Don Arden, Jeff is the only one that mattered. And it was that attitude which drove wedges within the band, leading to the wimpering end of ELO.
I wonder if, when Jeff passes, his last testament directs that all archival material in his control showing the contributions of all members must be destroyed. I wouldn't be surprised.
Given that Jeff is such a control freak, I assume he would not want any of his archival material to be released, to be locked away forever.
Kelly got plenty of praise from fans as well as Jeff. His disloyalty as perceived by Jeff was the wedge that drove the band apart. Kelly received praise from fans because he turned out in The Orchestra to be the engaging frontman that Jeff never was. Jeff now needs as musical director? Please. Look at Mick Jagger - where is his musical director? And Jagger is older.
I'm happy to revise my opinion on Jeff complimenting Kelly when you can provide some audio clips here. On the other hand, I have the Koln show and it is clear that Kelly, after the Lennon Tribute, clearly compliments Jeff and Richard in front of thousands of fans. And there is other press clippings where Kelly clearly says that Jeff has talent. I've never heard anything of the sort from Jeff.
Look at what happened to ELO after the OTTB tour: 1) celloists fired via letter at the end of 1979; 2) Kelly's reduced vocal presence starting with Discovery; 3) During the European Leg of the Time Tour, that fateful moment when Jeff told the band there would be no further touring after that tour - and it was that step by Jeff that caused Kelly to seek legal advice that led to him suing Jet initially, then ultimately Jeff; and 4) the Meal, the subject of which was posted here and elsewhere with content provided by Chris Groucutt.
Ever notice that none of these steps were initiated by Kelly, Bev, and Richard? All initiated by Jeff. It is telling that a good portion of the OTTB band joined Part II, because Part II was a more democratic outfit. Lynne's management style did not work the last six years of the band's existence. Even Don Arden in his memoir mentions that Jeff didn't want the other guys to start a successor band.
I still get a kick out of the YouTube video of a performance on German tv by Kelly for his first single, and Dave Morgan playing bass on that song. That performance was one week after the Time Tour ended. But we all know what happened next - Jeff pressured the other guys to quit supporting Kelly's promotional work with his album.
So, really, it was Jeff's decisions or consent to management steps that drove the band apart. He has a very selective historical memory. Of course, Jeff could apologize for the steps he took - but he can't do that because he produced The Beatles and was a Wilbury.
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Post by Timeblue on Nov 27, 2022 12:30:55 GMT
I agree with many points here but I think part2's biggest mistake was calling themselves that name. They would have known that Jeff wouldn't be happy and of course he challenged this. Does anyone know how Jeff reacted when Orkestra first came into being? I can't recall any animosity at the time.
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Post by tightrope on Nov 27, 2022 15:41:16 GMT
Kelly got plenty of praise from fans as well as Jeff. His disloyalty as perceived by Jeff was the wedge that drove the band apart. Kelly received praise from fans because he turned out in The Orchestra to be the engaging frontman that Jeff never was. Jeff now needs as musical director? Please. Look at Mick Jagger - where is his musical director? And Jagger is older.
I'm happy to revise my opinion on Jeff complimenting Kelly when you can provide some audio clips here. On the other hand, I have the Koln show and it is clear that Kelly, after the Lennon Tribute, clearly compliments Jeff and Richard in front of thousands of fans. And there is other press clippings where Kelly clearly says that Jeff has talent. I've never heard anything of the sort from Jeff.
Look at what happened to ELO after the OTTB tour: 1) celloists fired via letter at the end of 1979; 2) Kelly's reduced vocal presence starting with Discovery; 3) During the European Leg of the Time Tour, that fateful moment when Jeff told the band there would be no further touring after that tour - and it was that step by Jeff that caused Kelly to seek legal advice that led to him suing Jet initially, then ultimately Jeff; and 4) the Meal, the subject of which was posted here and elsewhere with content provided by Chris Groucutt.
Ever notice that none of these steps were initiated by Kelly, Bev, and Richard? All initiated by Jeff. It is telling that a good portion of the OTTB band joined Part II, because Part II was a more democratic outfit. Lynne's management style did not work the last six years of the band's existence. Even Don Arden in his memoir mentions that Jeff didn't want the other guys to start a successor band.
I still get a kick out of the YouTube video of a performance on German tv by Kelly for his first single, and Dave Morgan playing bass on that song. That performance was one week after the Time Tour ended. But we all know what happened next - Jeff pressured the other guys to quit supporting Kelly's promotional work with his album.
So, really, it was Jeff's decisions or consent to management steps that drove the band apart. He has a very selective historical memory. Of course, Jeff could apologize for the steps he took - but he can't do that because he produced The Beatles and was a Wilbury. Your contempt for Jeff is legendary. Kelly was fortunate to have been in ELO.
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Post by fireonhigh on Nov 28, 2022 18:02:27 GMT
Your contempt for Jeff is legendary. Kelly was fortunate to have been in ELO.[/quote]
Maybe you could argue Jeff was fortunate to be in ELO! Would Jeff have ever started ELO without Roy?. What if Jeff hadn’t carried on after Roy left? It has always seemed to have been more Roy’s idea than Jeff’s and it was Roy who asked Jeff to join the Move so as to work on this new musical idea together?
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Post by lawrev on Nov 30, 2022 7:29:22 GMT
I'll never buy into the "Jeff is a shy Birmingham lad who looked up to his "heroes." Jeff either made decisions or consented to Arden's decisions (and lacking the ****s to stand up to Arden, which is why he sent Bev to Arden to get higher salaries for the guys in the band). And since Jeff has a limited set of questions he will discuss now, no one in the press can *really* challenge Jeff regarding his version of history. Regarding Orkestra, I don't recall animosity there because Jeff didn't respect them as musicians and there was no threat to the ELO legacy. ELO Part II, though, with Bevan, Clark, Groucutt, McDowell, and Kaminski, was a different matter. It is telling that both Roy Wood and Richard Tandy saw ELO Part II live in concert. Jeff couldn't possibly be happy with that. And fireonhigh raises a good point, which Jeff won't discuss because it is not on his menu of topics....maybe Jeff should feel fortunate that Roy invited him into the Move? After all, Bev and Roy had worked for years to get the Move to where they were in 1970. Now back to Don Arden. ELO was his golden goose. Jeff was the songwriter but the other guys had their roles too. And Jeff bought into Arden's ego feeding that Jeff was the only one that mattered. Alone in the Universe, indeed.
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Post by Timeblue on Nov 30, 2022 14:30:24 GMT
From what I know of Orkestra, they played a lot of their own music and didn't rely too much on Kelly and Miks past. Maybe that's why Jeff 'left them alone' as such, it was only when Bev and part2 came along that the trouble started. Every offshoot of ELO is going to play the hits at some stage, I remember when I saw Violinski in the mid 80s there were a few early hits played such as Showdown and I think Ma ma ma Belle too and I don't recall Jeff having a problem with them.
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Post by finberty on Jan 19, 2023 20:44:03 GMT
It's one of the few songs where Kelly's voice is SO clear. You can listen clearly to the Jeff and Kelly voices and they're easy to sing by separate ways. I enjoy singing Kelly's part! What about Bev's one? He's credited with backing vocals on OOTB, but is he singing on Mr Blue Sky too? I hear Bev very clearly on Mr Blue Sky. He never got the praise he deserved from fans as far as backing vocals IMO. I think Bev's clearest singing is in Above The Clouds (A New World Record) singing the basso profundo part - unmistakeable and unmissable.
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