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Post by Timeblue on Jul 15, 2021 9:58:39 GMT
"Love the art, not the artist" True...
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Post by orangefiltersky on Jul 15, 2021 13:08:21 GMT
Let me put it this way: I would be so relieved for Jeff and Bev when finally a photograph of them both smiling together would appear with both of them saying: "After all those years we have reconnected. In the end we are pals who made some great music together over more than 15 years. We may have had some differences but now this belongs to the past. Life is too short to be angry forever."
Wouldn`t that be wonderful?
I am very sad for Jeff that he cannot bring himself to make up with his old friend. Hate is vitriol for your own soul. I know that from my own experience.
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Post by tightrope on Jul 15, 2021 13:36:47 GMT
Let me put it this way: I would be so relieved for Jeff and Bev when finally a photograph of them both smiling together would appear with both of them saying: "After all those years we have reconnected. In the end we are pals who made some great music together over more than 15 years. We may have had some differences but now this belongs to the past. Life is too short to be angry forever." Wouldn`t that be wonderful? I am very sad for Jeff that he cannot bring himself to make up with his old friend. Hate is vitriol for your own soul. I know that from my own experience. It's a 2 way street. Whatever happened between them is and should stay between them. As for taking a photograph and circulating it saying "All is forgiven" yes it would be neat but immediately fans would pressure both to work together again and if that wasn't what they intended, it could only make things worse. I had much rather they met up had a beer, talked things through and kept it out of public view.
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Post by tightrope on Jul 15, 2021 13:45:13 GMT
I will add this. I have worked with many friends over the years and you will find people are different. Most of the time when work cause's issues between friends they are easily overcome. Sometimes however, it causes even the best of friends to grow apart.
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Post by lasttrain929 on Jul 15, 2021 19:33:41 GMT
Great songwriter, producer, and musician. Some people he's worked with love him, while others, not so much. He's probably a bit of a stubborn asshole, but then again so am I. Lol. LoL think we can all be a bit stubborn at times....
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Post by Chippa on Jul 15, 2021 19:47:37 GMT
Great songwriter, producer, and musician. Some people he's worked with love him, while others, not so much. He's probably a bit of a stubborn asshole, but then again so am I. Lol. Now that I think about it, the only real negatives I've heard about Jeff from some of those who've worked with him is that he's a very specific to the point of coming across as a control freak. And honestly those opinions were only from people who worked alongside in during the ELO years (Mack the engineer, Bev, Kelly). Having said that, none of them gave the impression he was a bad person, and even Bev and Kelly have been quoted as saying they would have liked to make amends with him.
Almost everyone else, from Tom Petty and various Heartbreakers, Roy and Barbara Orbison, George, Dhani and Olivia Harrison, Regina Spektor, Joe Walsh, Bryan Adams and Paul McCartney have said they got along well with him.
Here's a nice anecdote from Barbara Orbison about Roy working with Jeff. She seems to have a real affection for him
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Post by livinthing on Jul 16, 2021 14:58:34 GMT
I think Jeff has left us a wonderful legacy. Many of us grew up with ELO,and they were part of our growing up too. It is always sad when we see people we love fall out,but that is a part of life we have to accept. Personally, if l had the chance to retire l would. Not many of us want to be working on into our 70s, yet we expect Jeff to.
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Post by orioles70 on Jul 16, 2021 15:14:59 GMT
50% of marriages end in divorce. The % of bands that break up is way higher than that. So, realistically - what were the odds that ELO would hold on tight for 5 decades?
Jeff can spend countless hours alone in a studio perfecting songs. That tells me that he's an introvert and that he likes to have total control over his material. That formula gave us a lot of wonderful music. But Jeff didn't want to do the same thing over and over. He changed his sound, he changed his band, he put ELO on a shelf for a long time - but he never stopped making music.
In the meantime, ELO Part II and The Orchestra soldiered on giving fans the joy of live music. So what do we have to complain about? Jeff has been Jeff. Bev has been Bev. Mik kept sawing away on his blue violin. And we have kept on listening - over and over. As nice as it would be to have a time machine and go back to say 1977, I am very satisfied with the joy that this band has given me across the decades.
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Post by lawrev on Jul 18, 2021 12:15:59 GMT
Jeff is a very good musician who has written some memorable songs, often with colleagues who don't get the credit they deserve. Jeff has had to put up with a lot of negative stuff in his years in the music industry, but he has also given a lot of negative stuff. That makes him human, and to me not a hero. Come to think of it, no musician is a hero to me - they are an influence, and often a mighty one at that.
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Post by cleldo on Jul 18, 2021 13:00:38 GMT
I, for one, don't keep in touch with a lot of former colleagues, we leave a job and get another and move on with our lives. This is maybe the same with musicians, but at their level they can be living thousands of miles apart and are unlikely to run into each other in the street to catch up and reconnect. If they did run into each other now and again maybe things would be different...
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Post by Timeblue on Jul 18, 2021 13:25:32 GMT
I'm guessing that Jeff, Roy, Bev and Richard all lived fairly close to each other in the beginning and that's where friendships and relationships are formed. Kelly too would have been known to the band before he joined as they did the same circuit. They probably saw a lot of each other away from the touring and recording (socially and charity football etc) So did they see too much of each other then? familiarity breeds contempt as the saying goes....
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Post by lasttrain929 on Jul 18, 2021 13:56:39 GMT
I met a guy who worked in the music industry, back in the day, and had met quite a few music stars.He asked me if I was an ELO fan. After replying I asked if he had met Jeff, he said once briefly and found him to be a decent bloke and friendly. Guess Jeff is like the rest of us makes friends and falls out with them, we all do it, that’s life really. Won’t stop me enjoying his music either as ELO or solo, neither will it stop me appreciating all former members of the band.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2021 20:10:10 GMT
My opinion:
I love the music he has made since 1967 or whenever.
Jeff the person? I dunno. Do any of us know? He's not Hitler. Maybe he is not Buddha either.
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Post by tightrope on Jul 19, 2021 1:22:06 GMT
Jeff is a very good musician who has written some memorable songs, often with colleagues who don't get the credit they deserve. Jeff has had to put up with a lot of negative stuff in his years in the music industry, but he has also given a lot of negative stuff. That makes him human, and to me not a hero. Come to think of it, no musician is a hero to me - they are an influence, and often a mighty one at that.
What proof do you have other than hearsay?
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Post by lawrev on Jul 23, 2021 11:55:43 GMT
Dick Plant's comments are the latest example.
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