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Post by helpless on Jul 13, 2021 8:08:41 GMT
OK. Enough. Kill this conversation or this thread will be locked. In my opinion, this discussion is not only interesting but also justified. It is only important that it is conducted as calmly as possible, so that emotions do not cause too many waves. And above all in a separate thread, because they don't belong here. To the moderators: How about moving the posts to a separate thread to have a discussion there, which will be closed if necessary if it gets out of hand?
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Post by jackpunch on Jul 13, 2021 9:48:31 GMT
I guess there's going to be issues in terms of translation....being called a "stubborn old mule" in the UK isn't far off a term of endearment. I'd used to say it to my Dad and I'm sure I've heard Jeff to call himself a "miserable old b****r".
I suspect that it may be that such phrases are just part of the British sense of humour/expression.
I'm probably not explaining myself very well.......
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Post by Timeblue on Jul 13, 2021 11:21:30 GMT
I guess there's going to be issues in terms of translation....being called a " stubborn old mule" in the UK isn't far off a term of endearment. I'd used to say it to my Dad and I'm sure I've heard Jeff to call himself a " miserable old b****r".
I suspect that it may be that such phrases are just part of the British sense of humour/expression. I'm probably not explaining myself very well....... It's Mrs T's birthday today and these are phrases what I've called her over the years....
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Post by dillwyn on Jul 13, 2021 11:59:32 GMT
Amazing Musician/Producer/Writer.
Business-wise - operates in the parameters that continues to sell music/product, has a public persona doesn't deviate from it, it has worked largely for 50+ years why would he.
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Post by eloneen on Jul 13, 2021 14:23:41 GMT
I obviously appreciate JL's musical talents, and the wonderful songs he has composed and shared with us all. He's incredibly gifted! That being said, he's just another human being. He's not a deity. I don't feel the need to genuflect before him because of his talent. He has his set of faults and positive traits like the rest of us. As a famous person, he has to deal with the fact that many of those characteristics and various actions/decisions over the years (professional and personal) are going to be on display for the public --sometimes spot-on, sometimes deliberately misrepresented, sometimes distorted, sometimes misunderstood, and that has to be difficult.
JL's image is part of his livelihood, and he probably wants to control it as much as possible for reasons of personal privacy as well as professional self-preservation. I get it. I don't envy this dilemma of being a well-known person. We all want to be ourselves, and to be seen, understood, and appreciated, but on the other hand, we all want people to just leave us alone sometimes!
Based on what I think I know about him, though, I'm not sure he'd be someone that I'd want in my circle of personal friends (not that anyone's asking). And that's OK. Who cares, really? I don't imagine our lives intersecting anyway! There are many other folks whose talent and creative output I admire (I won't name them), who have consistently acted like jerks, quite frankly, in one way or another, and I do not admire them personally. I still enjoy their music and appreciate their talent. He's a musician, and the music is what I appreciate from him.
I'm sure there is a point where I might draw the line and say that I will not support a certain artist in any way due to my understanding/perception of their character, but this is where it stands for me with JL.
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Post by BSJ on Jul 13, 2021 14:55:24 GMT
OK. Enough. Kill this conversation or this thread will be locked. In my opinion, this discussion is not only interesting but also justified. It is only important that it is conducted as calmly as possible, so that emotions do not cause too many waves. And above all in a separate thread, because they don't belong here. To the moderators: How about moving the posts to a separate thread to have a discussion there, which will be closed if necessary if it gets out of hand? Forum rules:You further agree that you will at no time post in a manner designed or intended to demean, humiliate or mock any other user, or member of staff of this forum. You will at all times observe "Good forum etiquette", be polite and respectful towards all members, administrators, moderators and the forum owners. You agree that you will at no time create posts/threads intended to be deliberately contentious, malicious, critical of and/or harmful to the community, its members, staff and the board owners, or that would create, foment or otherwise cause ill feeling amongst the membership.
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Post by StrangeMagic on Jul 13, 2021 18:15:51 GMT
In my opinion, this discussion is not only interesting but also justified. It is only important that it is conducted as calmly as possible, so that emotions do not cause too many waves. And above all in a separate thread, because they don't belong here. To the moderators: How about moving the posts to a separate thread to have a discussion there, which will be closed if necessary if it gets out of hand? Forum rules:You further agree that you will at no time post in a manner designed or intended to demean, humiliate or mock any other user, or member of staff of this forum. You will at all times observe "Good forum etiquette", be polite and respectful towards all members, administrators, moderators and the forum owners. You agree that you will at no time create posts/threads intended to be deliberately contentious, malicious, critical of and/or harmful to the community, its members, staff and the board owners, or that would create, foment or otherwise cause ill feeling amongst the membership. I feel like Jeff is part of our community, even if he never reads the forum. The rule about not demeaning, humiliating, or mocking should apply to him as well. That doesn't mean people could never criticize him. But when the negative remarks get mean-spirited, like they were in the previous thread, I feel the moderators should intervene. When a forum member directly confronts another forum member about their use of harsh language, the mods impose consequences. "This thread will be closed." That means other forum members can't say, "Hey, you're getting really harsh, there. Shouldn't you dial it back?"
Jeff's photo is on the header. Doesn't that count for some kind of membership? And what if he did lurk? Imagine if he read the horrible things some of the forum members say about him? Sure you have to have thick skin in show business, but I wonder if they would say those things to his face?
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Post by Horacewimp on Jul 13, 2021 19:00:07 GMT
The moderators job is not to protect Jeff but to help direct the flow of posts within a thread and to step in if things appear to be getting out of hand. For the record in my opinion I don’t think the negative remarks got mean spirited which is why no moderation was necessary. A warning was provided by a moderator when the subject matter was becoming heated, I back this intervention 100%.
The forum is now over seven years old, within that time I would hope the administration team have learnt the art of moderation.
Lets get this thread back on topic..
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Post by finberty on Jul 14, 2021 19:11:00 GMT
Jeff Lynne is the man responsible for more music with the power to transport me back to various times in my life than any other modern composer or performer. For that alone, I hold him in the highest regard.
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Post by lasttrain929 on Jul 14, 2021 22:47:07 GMT
I guess there's going to be issues in terms of translation....being called a " stubborn old mule" in the UK isn't far off a term of endearment. I'd used to say it to my Dad and I'm sure I've heard Jeff to call himself a " miserable old b****r".
I suspect that it may be that such phrases are just part of the British sense of humour/expression. I'm probably not explaining myself very well....... It's Mrs T's birthday today and these are phrases what I've called her over the years.... Yeah right, I believe you Forgot to say Happy birthday to Mrs T
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Post by StrangeMagic on Jul 15, 2021 6:02:52 GMT
The moderators job is not to protect Jeff but to help direct the flow of posts within a thread and to step in if things appear to be getting out of hand. For the record in my opinion I don’t think the negative remarks got mean spirited which is why no moderation was necessary. A warning was provided by a moderator when the subject matter was becoming heated, I back this intervention 100%. The forum is now over seven years old, within that time I would hope the administration team have learnt the art of moderation. Lets get this thread back on topic.. I don't see how it's off topic to ask to moderators to intervene when forum members get mean-spirited. I see we have a difference of opinion about what constitutes "mean spirited," but it's not off-topic.
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Post by trekkielo on Jul 15, 2021 6:19:56 GMT
"Love the art, not the artist"
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Post by Horacewimp on Jul 15, 2021 7:03:54 GMT
The moderators job is not to protect Jeff but to help direct the flow of posts within a thread and to step in if things appear to be getting out of hand. For the record in my opinion I don’t think the negative remarks got mean spirited which is why no moderation was necessary. A warning was provided by a moderator when the subject matter was becoming heated, I back this intervention 100%. The forum is now over seven years old, within that time I would hope the administration team have learnt the art of moderation. Lets get this thread back on topic.. I don't see how it's off topic to ask to moderators to intervene when forum members get mean-spirited. I see we have a difference of opinion about what constitutes "mean spirited," but it's not off-topic. I suggest that in the future rather than posting on the thread you report any post you object to by using the “report post” facility, this will notify the moderators and any appropriate action if required will be carried out. For arguing with the Admin, not accepting and adhering to a warning from a moderator, aggressive posting and disruption of a thread StrangeMagic you are banned from the forum for two months.
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Post by pelo on Jul 15, 2021 7:48:40 GMT
The one thing I've learned is that you shouldn't judge a person without knowing them.For example we don't know exactly what has happened and why Jeff is feeling so angry with some of his old bandmates. There may be other reasons than the facts we are familiar with.
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Post by Chippa on Jul 15, 2021 8:15:43 GMT
Great songwriter, producer, and musician. Some people he's worked with love him, while others, not so much. He's probably a bit of a stubborn asshole, but then again so am I. Lol.
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