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Post by Horacewimp on Feb 20, 2021 10:40:35 GMT
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Post by Timeblue on Feb 20, 2021 10:53:26 GMT
Good read but nothing new to add really that we didn't know about. Again it shows Jeff in a cold light, as Kelly admitted what he did was wrong and would have liked to put things right, the same with Bev too....
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Post by tightrope on Feb 20, 2021 15:27:08 GMT
Good read but nothing new to add really that we didn't know about. Again it shows Jeff in a cold light, as Kelly admitted what he did was wrong and would have liked to put things right, the same with Bev too.... It shows them all in sort of a bad light but could have been told another way. They all got to explore other things. It's just life really, people either grow closer or farther apart. Nothing ever stays the same.
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Post by lawrev on Apr 25, 2021 20:18:23 GMT
An important point missing from that article is that Jeff informed the band near the end of the Time Tour that there would be no more touring and that their next release would be the last. Basically, no severance for non - partners in the band (like Kelly) which is when Kelly acted upon legal advice to sue.
An interesting sidenote: One week after the end of the Time Tour, Dave Morgan was on German tv backing Kelly for the latter's latest single. At some point after that, word came from Jeff that the existing members of ELO should not support Kelly's first album.
And "The Meal?" That is not in the article either, which from all appearances was the beginning of the end of ELO.
The whole idea of an album made on keyboards and a drum machine in the control room is pretty sad, but Jeff wasn't the only musician seduced by such an approach. At least he did not do his version of "Give My Regards to Broad Street."
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Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2021 20:29:48 GMT
At least he did not do his version of "Give My Regards to Broad Street."
Some might argue that the 2012 re-recordings were exactly this!
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Post by Timeblue on Apr 25, 2021 20:39:50 GMT
At least he did not do his version of "Give My Regards to Broad Street."
Some might argue that the 2012 re-recordings were exactly this!
To me,they are. I have no interest in buying that album or even listening to it (I've only ever heard MBS from this album) This version of MBS was also played at the opening of the 2012 to Jeff's eternal shame....(imho)
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Post by cleldo on Apr 26, 2021 10:01:42 GMT
An important point missing from that article is that Jeff informed the band near the end of the Time Tour that there would be no more touring and that their next release would be the last. Basically, no severance for non - partners in the band (like Kelly) which is when Kelly acted upon legal advice to sue. An interesting sidenote: One week after the end of the Time Tour, Dave Morgan was on German tv backing Kelly for the latter's latest single. At some point after that, word came from Jeff that the existing members of ELO should not support Kelly's first album. And "The Meal?" That is not in the article either, which from all appearances was the beginning of the end of ELO. The whole idea of an album made on keyboards and a drum machine in the control room is pretty sad, but Jeff wasn't the only musician seduced by such an approach. At least he did not do his version of "Give My Regards to Broad Street." The Meal, what's that then?
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Post by Horacewimp on Apr 26, 2021 11:55:12 GMT
An important point missing from that article is that Jeff informed the band near the end of the Time Tour that there would be no more touring and that their next release would be the last. Basically, no severance for non - partners in the band (like Kelly) which is when Kelly acted upon legal advice to sue. An interesting sidenote: One week after the end of the Time Tour, Dave Morgan was on German tv backing Kelly for the latter's latest single. At some point after that, word came from Jeff that the existing members of ELO should not support Kelly's first album. And "The Meal?" That is not in the article either, which from all appearances was the beginning of the end of ELO. The whole idea of an album made on keyboards and a drum machine in the control room is pretty sad, but Jeff wasn't the only musician seduced by such an approach. At least he did not do his version of "Give My Regards to Broad Street." The Meal, what's that then? I could be way off the mark with some of this but from memory The Meal was: Jeff had hoped to get some more payments from Jet or the Ardens and had promised members of the band when he did they would all get a substantial amount as well. Jeff got the money but rumour has it Sandi told Jeff to pay the guys a lot less than he had told them. The band all sat down for a meal, they were told about the smaller amount of money they were getting and also that Jeff wasn’t touring anymore so certain operatives were out of a job. Sorry can’t remember anymore but I’m sure other members will correct me if I’m wrong.
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Post by lawrev on Apr 26, 2021 13:59:19 GMT
Others that frequent this board may provide more detail, and Chris Groucutt mentioned this being a topic around his family's dinner table and Kelly talked about it. But as @horacewimp broadly outlines, there was a lawsuit settlement against Jet/Don Arden regarding the OTTB album. Jeff evidently promised the other guys a share of the settlement but that did not happen under the influence of Jeff's second wife, Sandi. So basically the other band members received quite little despite what Jeff said, and that really is the beginning of the end I think. I don't know if the exact date of The Meal was ever ascertained.
Given this, I can see why Jeff would never answer a question about The Meal. But if the Chris Groucutt information is completely incorrect, Jeff could have cleared everything up years ago.
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Post by Horacewimp on Apr 26, 2021 14:35:52 GMT
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Post by fourlittlediamonds on Apr 26, 2021 18:21:58 GMT
Didn't Slade meet up for dinner once to discuss a reformation and future plans and the whole thing quickly descended into a gigantic slanging match at which point they decided reforming wasn't such a good idea after all?
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Post by ajv on Apr 28, 2021 18:01:43 GMT
Similar to Slade, a similar thing happened with CCR around 1980. They met at Tom Fogerty's house (specifically his kitchen table, as described in the book "Bad Moon Rising") to talk about reforming but it devolved into a big argument, with John Fogerty's complaints and bitterness putting an end to the discussion. Perhaps this proves important band discussions shouldn't happen at a band member's dinner table but instead at some neutral ground... a park or zoo, maybe?
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Post by Timeblue on Apr 28, 2021 18:16:29 GMT
Similar to Slade, a similar thing happened with CCR around 1980. They met at Tom Fogerty's house (specifically his kitchen table, as described in the book "Bad Moon Rising") to talk about reforming but it devolved into a big argument, with John Fogerty's complaints and bitterness putting an end to the discussion. Perhaps this proves important band discussions shouldn't happen at a band member's dinner table but instead at some neutral ground... a park or zoo, maybe? Or a solicitors office!
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Post by jackpunch on Apr 28, 2021 19:07:44 GMT
Similar to Slade, a similar thing happened with CCR around 1980. They met at Tom Fogerty's house (specifically his kitchen table, as described in the book "Bad Moon Rising") to talk about reforming but it devolved into a big argument, with John Fogerty's complaints and bitterness putting an end to the discussion. Perhaps this proves important band discussions shouldn't happen at a band member's dinner table but instead at some neutral ground... a park or zoo, maybe? Or a solicitors office! Or a pub so they can get tanked up and bray seven bells out of each other. If that had happened in ELOs case, I reckon Bev might have been a bit of a handful
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Post by BSJ on Apr 28, 2021 20:31:57 GMT
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