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Post by ShardEnder on Nov 22, 2022 7:35:16 GMT
How long has this one been in the MoFi release pipeline? Now comes the inevitable question about what source they're using, or more to the point, whether it's just the same worn out tape used for the 2007 and 2015 remasters.
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Post by nickheynes on Nov 22, 2022 10:58:03 GMT
I think maybe someone should get on the phone to Giles Martin and Peter Jackson!
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Post by helli on Nov 23, 2022 0:03:47 GMT
I think maybe someone should get on the phone to Giles Martin and Peter Jackson! Does anyone actually know whether the old multitrack tapes still exist? If so, then probably with Jeff - and then we'll never get the remix we want (Kelly and Bev played in it). At most he would play and sing everything again himself... hm But OK, there is also the possibility that Peter Jackson extracts the stems with his legendary software, that's true. Then Giles could start his mixing work. But the arrangements on these albums in particular are very dense, opaque mush - can any software manage to separate them clearly? It was definitely easier with Revolver's Beatles tracks. Seriously, I don't know if anyone other than our little bubble would be interested in this - and therefore, if it were possible, the effort might not be worth it from a commercial point of view - unfortunately. Such "Ultra Disc" etc. releases are easy to make in comparison and certainly don't sound any better than anything else that already exists.
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Post by nickheynes on Nov 23, 2022 15:34:10 GMT
I think maybe someone should get on the phone to Giles Martin and Peter Jackson! Does anyone actually know whether the old multitrack tapes still exist? If so, then probably with Jeff - and then we'll never get the remix we want (Kelly and Bev played in it). At most he would play and sing everything again himself... hm But OK, there is also the possibility that Peter Jackson extracts the stems with his legendary software, that's true. Then Giles could start his mixing work. But the arrangements on these albums in particular are very dense, opaque mush - can any software manage to separate them clearly? It was definitely easier with Revolver's Beatles tracks. Seriously, I don't know if anyone other than our little bubble would be interested in this - and therefore, if it were possible, the effort might not be worth it from a commercial point of view - unfortunately. Such "Ultra Disc" etc. releases are easy to make in comparison and certainly don't sound any better than anything else that already exists. I'm not sure the multitracks do exist and it may be a tricky job .As far as the commerciality goes I'm not sure but I would love it if it was done!
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Post by trekkielo on Nov 23, 2022 18:56:34 GMT
If there was one I'd have on repeat, it would be, Electric Light Orchestra's Can't Get It Out of My Head circa 1974, not Jeff Lynne solo from 2012!
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Post by ShardEnder on Nov 23, 2022 20:04:16 GMT
Does anyone actually know whether the old multitrack tapes still exist? If so, then probably with Jeff - and then we'll never get the remix we want (Kelly and Bev played in it). At most he would play and sing everything again himself... hm But OK, there is also the possibility that Peter Jackson extracts the stems with his legendary software, that's true. Then Giles could start his mixing work. But the arrangements on these albums in particular are very dense, opaque mush - can any software manage to separate them clearly? It was definitely easier with Revolver's Beatles tracks. Seriously, I don't know if anyone other than our little bubble would be interested in this - and therefore, if it were possible, the effort might not be worth it from a commercial point of view - unfortunately. Such "Ultra Disc" etc. releases are easy to make in comparison and certainly don't sound any better than anything else that already exists. I'm not sure the multitracks do exist and it may be a tricky job .As far as the commerciality goes I'm not sure but I would love it if it was done! I don't know if the situation has changed recently, but as of a few years ago, some of the multitracks were either missing or damaged beyond use, though a far larger problem is Jeff's apparent resistance to allow the remixing of anything into even 5.1 for use in film and game soundtracks - he supposedly doesn't want it being possible to isolate his vocals, which may come from the same lack of confidence that led to him using ADT, reverb, tape speed manipulation, double tracking and every other production trick under the sun back during ELO's peak. Being someone in the loop when it comes to The Beatles, I'm sure he's all too aware of the possibilities that someone like Giles Martin or Peter Jackson could theoretically offer, but current stem extraction technology doesn't work too well if applied to "kitchen sink" recordings such as those found on an album like Out Of The Blue.
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Post by helli on Nov 24, 2022 2:48:17 GMT
...he supposedly doesn't want it being possible to isolate his vocals, which may come from the same lack of confidence that led to him using ADT, reverb, tape speed manipulation, double tracking and every other production trick under the sun back during ELO's peak... Yes, I've heard something like that before - that Jeff couldn't hear his voice in its pure form during the early years and always wanted to hide it somehow - but actually he's now doing exactly the opposite: His voice is usually very clear, direct in newer productions, without reverb, always very much in the foreground - which is usually a good thing (although I also liked this compact sound with the voice as one of many instruments, especially on OOTB). It started IMHO with Discovery, where the vocals are often much clearer and louder mixed than before. It somehow doesn't go together with his earlier vocal "shyness". He seems to be quite aware of his vocal qualities by now. Maybe it's his character as a control freak and his self-image as "Jeff is ELO" that means he won't let anyone touch these treasures - except himself. Of course, if the master multitrack tapes are damaged, there is a real technical problem.
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Post by trekkielo on Dec 12, 2022 18:49:58 GMT
Yesterday... http://instagram.com/p/CmCQ8k8gqyq PS Please release a Legacy Edition of the legendary ELO album Time as an originally intended 2 LP like you did with Electric Light Orchestra's Secret Messages in 2018
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Post by nickheynes on Dec 13, 2022 14:10:50 GMT
I'm not sure the multitracks do exist and it may be a tricky job .As far as the commerciality goes I'm not sure but I would love it if it was done! I don't know if the situation has changed recently, but as of a few years ago, some of the multitracks were either missing or damaged beyond use, though a far larger problem is Jeff's apparent resistance to allow the remixing of anything into even 5.1 for use in film and game soundtracks - he supposedly doesn't want it being possible to isolate his vocals, which may come from the same lack of confidence that led to him using ADT, reverb, tape speed manipulation, double tracking and every other production trick under the sun back during ELO's peak. Being someone in the loop when it comes to The Beatles, I'm sure he's all too aware of the possibilities that someone like Giles Martin or Peter Jackson could theoretically offer, but current stem extraction technology doesn't work too well if applied to "kitchen sink" recordings such as those found on an album like Out Of The Blue. Is it a lack of confidence? or a growing sense of confidence as far as his production skills were concerned. If all those things were available to me and I knew ( or had someone sitting next to me who knew i.e. Mack) how to use them I would!!
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Post by tammytastic on Dec 16, 2022 15:02:53 GMT
Now we are nearly at year end are we safe to say the new songs Jeff teased us about are not going to see light in 2022 ?
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Post by lawrev on Dec 16, 2022 15:59:29 GMT
I don't know how many of these tours are firmed up for 2023, but here is an article on the subject:
I know the ZZ Top/LS tour is firmed up because tickets are already for sale in my area.
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Post by unomusette on Dec 18, 2022 21:05:42 GMT
Fans of Elvis Costello will be raiding their piggy banks for ten gigs with no songs repeated. Fans of other bands can only dream.....
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Post by Timeblue on Dec 19, 2022 7:22:48 GMT
Fans of Elvis Costello will be raiding their piggy banks for ten gigs with no songs repeated. Fans of other bands can only dream..... Wow, this sounds brilliant. Do you think the fans will know in advance which songs are going to be played? Like you say, we could only dream of something like this happening....
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Post by unomusette on Dec 19, 2022 20:27:24 GMT
Knowing in advance might spoil the fun though....
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Post by Timeblue on Dec 19, 2022 21:38:45 GMT
Yeah I suppose it would, but if Jeff did the same then it would be an awful lot of money to see the shows...
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