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Post by Timeblue on Feb 1, 2020 13:49:56 GMT
i loved them but this 'magnificent 7'. title..how many albums did that set of players appear on 2?... the string players weren't part of the recording process as a unit after a new world record were they? Maybe so but ask anyone who knows ANYTHING about the band and I guarantee that this line up is the one that they think of. Ok,only 2 albums or so but what a legacy they left behind...
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Post by dillwyn on Feb 1, 2020 23:15:54 GMT
Yes and No. It was a pretty faceless unit (deliberately not even album cover pictures of the band) with a few cycles of 'well paid?' musicians ... i'm not sure anyone apart from fans would know an ELO cello player, although most would know JL
The '7' were at a JL writing musical highpoint, they were certainly the most advertised. The reality was though JL/BB were joint owners of the band and BB's input was limited musically. When BB was bought out (and i'm sure he didn't yes to at the first offer), he relinquished his futures, sorry that is business.
JL and his team are now marketing it and it is being done brilliantly given the recent commercial success.
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Post by Timeblue on Feb 2, 2020 0:10:41 GMT
Yes and No. It was a pretty faceless unit (deliberately not even album cover pictures of the band) with a few cycles of 'well paid?' musicians ... i'm not sure anyone apart from fans would know an ELO cello player, although most would know JL The '7' were at a JL writing musical highpoint, they were certainly the most advertised. The reality was though JL/BB were joint owners of the band and BB's input was limited musically. When BB was bought out (and i'm sure he didn't yes to at the first offer), he relinquished his futures, sorry that is business. JL and his team are now marketing it and it is being done brilliantly given the recent commercial success. If no one knew an ELO cello player why did Hard Rock Café release a Badge featuring Hughie? There aren't that many cello players in the world of rock and roll, I certainly knew of him in '78 (I was 14 at the time) when ELO were probably the biggest band in the world at that moment in time. I also knew of Mik too as he lived fairly local. Sure Jeffs writing capabilities ensured success but like I said in an earlier post, the success would not have been achieved if the other guys from ELO1,2,OTTD and Eldorado were still in place.
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Post by jackpunch on Feb 2, 2020 8:12:33 GMT
Yes and No. It was a pretty faceless unit (deliberately not even album cover pictures of the band) with a few cycles of 'well paid?' musicians ... i'm not sure anyone apart from fans would know an ELO cello player, although most would know JL The '7' were at a JL writing musical highpoint, they were certainly the most advertised. The reality was though JL/BB were joint owners of the band and BB's input was limited musically. When BB was bought out (and i'm sure he didn't yes to at the first offer), he relinquished his futures, sorry that is business. JL and his team are now marketing it and it is being done brilliantly given the recent commercial success. If no one knew an ELO cello player why did Hard Rock Café release a Badge featuring Hughie? There aren't that many cello players in the world of rock and roll, I certainly knew of him in '78 (I was 14 at the time) when ELO were probably the biggest band in the world at that moment in time. I also knew of Mik too as he lived fairly local. Sure Jeffs writing capabilities ensured success but like I said in an earlier post, the success would not have been achieved if the other guys from ELO1,2,OTTD and Eldorado were still in place. Disagree with that mind. Wouldn't have matter who was playing... The songwriting, production, arranging and engineering after Eldorado was the catalyst for success.
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Post by janne on Feb 2, 2020 8:29:06 GMT
Yes and No. It was a pretty faceless unit (deliberately not even album cover pictures of the band) with a few cycles of 'well paid?' musicians ... i'm not sure anyone apart from fans would know an ELO cello player, although most would know JL The '7' were at a JL writing musical highpoint, they were certainly the most advertised. The reality was though JL/BB were joint owners of the band and BB's input was limited musically. When BB was bought out (and i'm sure he didn't yes to at the first offer), he relinquished his futures, sorry that is business. JL and his team are now marketing it and it is being done brilliantly given the recent commercial success. If no one knew an ELO cello player why did Hard Rock Café release a Badge featuring Hughie? There aren't that many cello players in the world of rock and roll, I certainly knew of him in '78 (I was 14 at the time) when ELO were probably the biggest band in the world at that moment in time. I also knew of Mik too as he lived fairly local. Sure Jeffs writing capabilities ensured success but like I said in an earlier post, the success would not have been achieved if the other guys from ELO1,2,OTTD and Eldorado were still in place. Okay, ELO was big in 1978, but biggest band in the world? Possibly top ten. Fleetwood Mac, after Rumours, were way bigger.
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Post by f4monty on Feb 2, 2020 9:49:34 GMT
The basic point here is that 30 years on Jeff can’t let it go. I mean it’s not as if his life has been ruined by Bev’s move back then and Jeff needs someone to blame. I think it’s sad and his attitude rather arrogant. It speaks of a rather bitter human being. Sure he has written some great music but some of us on here seem to think that makes him a faultless god. And I don’t think he - or anyone - is.
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Post by Timeblue on Feb 2, 2020 11:02:39 GMT
The basic point here is that 30 years on Jeff can’t let it go. I mean it’s not as if his life has been ruined by Bev’s move back then and Jeff needs someone to blame. I think it’s sad and his attitude rather arrogant. It speaks of a rather bitter human being. Sure he has written some great music but some of us on here seem to think that makes him a faultless god. And I don’t think he - or anyone - is. That's basically it in a nutshell.
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Post by jackpunch on Feb 2, 2020 12:45:22 GMT
The basic point here is that 30 years on Jeff can’t let it go. I mean it’s not as if his life has been ruined by Bev’s move back then and Jeff needs someone to blame. I think it’s sad and his attitude rather arrogant. It speaks of a rather bitter human being. Sure he has written some great music but some of us on here seem to think that makes him a faultless god. And I don’t think he - or anyone - is. Spot on. I hope Bev really has an autobiography coming out. I'd be interested in reading a bit of someone else's view rather than Jeff's amended history of ELO.
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Post by tightrope on Feb 2, 2020 14:05:07 GMT
It's not Jeff that can't let it go. It's fans who want to relive the past, their dream of what ELO was. Jeff was ELO. I think he may have felt a little ambushed by the question but he answered honestly. Bev was wrong doing what he did. Had he not been so impatient, I've no doubt the band would have reformed in the early 90's.
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Post by dillwyn on Feb 2, 2020 14:37:58 GMT
Not sure who is declaring JL a faultless God. The point is without knowing the detail in business side of this (which I suspect will not come out) then none of us really have any idea what the actual reason their issues are unresolved. What I do know is Roy Wood was similarly upset with BB when he tried a Move reboot.
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Post by jackpunch on Feb 2, 2020 14:45:27 GMT
It's not Jeff that can't let it go. It's fans who want to relive the past, their dream of what ELO was. Jeff was ELO. I think he may have felt a little ambushed by the question but he answered honestly. Bev was wrong doing what he did. Had he not been so impatient, I've no doubt the band would have reformed in the early 90's. My problem is Jeff seems to believe that no-one else had a hand in ELOs success.. Apart from Richard. I don't doubt he could have had virtually any drummer, bassist, string players - but he's having a laugh if he thinks that ELOs sound and success was entirely down to himself.
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Post by fourlittlediamonds on Feb 2, 2020 17:29:33 GMT
Ah, my favourite subject!
I don't get the "tried to steal the band" line, thats utter BS! Jeff wasn't interested after BOP, in fact you could argue he wasn't by the time of SM as he tried to wrap things up contractually with the double album, that never was. Bev hardly tried to steal the band and the name. He specifically went to Jeff to see what his plans were and only then tried to reach a compromise with Jeff over the name and future direction of the offshoot (which you agreed to agreed to, by the way, Jeff!).
I dug out my VHS of ELO Part ll from 1991 and all of us who were there that night knew what it was and what it wasn't. It was a strange night of mixed feelings, great to see so many old faces and songs BUT a very big hole on stage where someone should have been. Nice while it lasted but never even close as a replacement for the real thing!
Remember, Jeff had form for this kind of thing. Mel and Hugh, received formal and impersonal "your services are no longer required" letters from management in 1980 and that was it. He reminds me of Roger Waters, horrified the band he co-founded could even contemplate carrying on after he had left (although, to be fair, Floyd, unlike ELO, did have another creative force within). But if even Waters was prepared to bury the hatchet after decades of toxic resentment and court cases.....?
The only disappointing element of the comeback has been seeing this side of Jeff's character, I really didn't think he was like that and seems so childish for a grown man.
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Post by lasttrain929 on Feb 2, 2020 18:20:28 GMT
The classic line up were on FTM, ANWR and OOTB. Even on Discovery all seven were brought back to make videos for every track on the album. Here in the UK the picture sleeve for The diary of Horace Wimp showed the classic line-up. So I guess even then people saw them as a seven piece band. But let’s face it Jeff will never back down now. So lets just be glad he’s still recording new material and touring after FIFTY years. My only gripe is why on the new music, does he not bring in some of the current line-up to recreate the classic sound (drums strings etc) AITU and FOON are great albums but they could be even better.
A quick question, does anyone know how the ticket sales are going?
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Post by janne on Feb 2, 2020 18:23:43 GMT
Ah, my favourite subject!
I don't get the "tried to steal the band" line, thats utter BS! Jeff wasnt intereted after BOP, in facr you could argue he wasn't by the time of SM as her tried to wrap things up contractually with the double album, that never was. Bev hardly tried to steal the band and the name. He specifically went to Jeff to see what his plans were and only then tried to reach a compromise with Jeff over the name and future direction of the offshoot (which you agreed to agreed to, by the way, Jeff!).
I dug out my VHS at of ELO Part ll from 1991 and all of us who were there that night knew what it was and what it wasn't. It was a strange night of mixed feelings, great to see so many old faces and songs BUT a very big hole on stage where someone should have been. Nice while it lasted but never even close as a replacement for the real thing!
Remember, Jeff had form for this kind of thing. Mel and Hugh, received formal and impersonal "your services are no longer required" letters from management in 1980 and that was it. He reminds me of Roger Waters, horrified the band he co-founded could even contemplate carrying on after he had left (although, to be fair, Floyd, unlike ELO, did have another creative force within). But if even Waters was prepared to bury the hatchet after decades of toxic resentment and court cases.....?
The only disappointing element of the comeback has been seeing this side of Jeff's character, I really didn't think he was like that and seems so childish for a grown man. I guess none of us really knows the guys involved. We know that seemingly decent guys, can turn out to be... not so decent. In Jeff's case, I think it's more a case of putting his head in the sand, and letting management deal with any unpleasant business. I think it would have been the right thing to do, to sit down with Bev and talk things through. Jeff might think that it won't lead anywhere. Or he just doesn't want the conflict. Or he's so sure, he's right, he thinks it's pointless.
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Post by dillwyn on Feb 2, 2020 18:39:40 GMT
The classic line up were on FTM, ANWR and OOTB. Even on Discovery all seven were brought back to make videos for every track on the album. Here in the UK the picture sleeve for The diary of Horace Wimp showed the classic line-up. So I guess even then people saw them as a seven piece band. But let’s face it Jeff will never back down now. So lets just be glad he’s still recording new material and touring after FIFTY years. My only gripe is why on the new music, does he not bring in some of the current line-up to recreate the classic sound (drums strings etc) AITU and FOON are great albums but they could be even better. A quick question, does anyone know how the ticket sales are going? not sure how the current tour is going but check these numbers from a pollstar article which quotes the 2016 euro tour 2016. Big business indeed. In the last year-plus since ELO embarked on that European tour, the band has generated some 230,000 tickets sold, grossing $25,221,585.
www.pollstar.com/article/jeff-lynnes-elo-announces-north-american-tour-launch-133676
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