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Post by StrangeMagic on Apr 21, 2019 19:20:06 GMT
StrangeMagic Our lists overlap quite a bit! In half the cases we favor exactly the same songs! We both have impeccable taste.
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Post by Timeblue on Apr 21, 2019 20:36:08 GMT
Right, here's my lineup (for this moment in time at least...)
First Movement(Jumping Biz) In Old England Town (Boogie Number two) Oh No Not Susan Poor Boy (The Greenwood) Poker Livin' Thing Sweet Talkin' Woman Don't Bring Me Down All Over The World The Way Life's Meant To Be Bluebird/Hello My Old Friend (same argument as Shardender) Getting To The Point State Of Mind When I Was A Boy
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Post by Grroosss on Apr 22, 2019 4:55:46 GMT
My favorite songs often change from week to week, but this is probably what mine looks like right now... I did this with my sister ages ago, but can’t find where I wrote down my responses; it would be interesting to compare them because I’m sure they’ve changed considerably.
10538 Overture Roll Over Beethoven Daybreaker Can’t Get it Out of My Head Strange Magic Livin’ Thing (though Telephone Line is a VERY close second) Sweet is the Night Midnight Blue or Confusion... please don’t force me to pick... (if I HAVE to, it’s probably Midnight Blue at the moment) Don’t Walk Away The Way Life’s Meant to Be Rock ‘n’ Roll is King So Serious Easy Money When I Was a Boy
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twilightelo
New Member
Hi, new here- I'm 16 years old, from England, I have ASD and I am obsessed with ELO <3
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Post by twilightelo on Apr 23, 2019 18:27:13 GMT
The Electric Light Orchestra (1971) - Mr. Radio / 10538 Overture (but only the 2012 version so doesn't really count?)
ELO 2 (1973) - Roll Over Beethoven
On The Third Day (1973) - Bluebird is Dead
Eldorado (1974) - Eldorado
Face The Music (1975) - Waterfall
A New World Record (1976) - Tightrope
Out Of The Blue (1977) - Turn To Stone (this is my joint favourite of their live setlist with Wild West Hero)
Discovery (1979) - Last Train to London
Xanadu (1980) - Don't Walk Away / The Fall (I know this isn't a studio album of theirs but I love these 2 songs so much)
Time (1981) - Twilight
Secret Messages (1983) - Hello, My Old Friend
Balance Of Power (1986) - Heaven Only Knows / Without Someone
Zoom (2001) - Alright
Alone In The Universe (2015) - When I Was A Boy / The Sun Will Shine On You
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Post by nobodyschild on Apr 28, 2019 6:53:55 GMT
No Answer: 1st Movement ELO 2: Roll Over Beethoven On the Third Day: Showdown Eldorado: Nobody’s Child (wow who would have guessed that one??) Face the Music: Fire on High A New World Record: Tightrope Out of the Blue: It’s Over (and Sweet Talkin Woman—I get to pick two since it’s a double album, right?) Discovery: On the Run Xanadu: The Fall Time: The Lights Go Down (The Bouncer if bonus tracks count) Secret Messages: Rock n Roll is King Balance of Power: So Serious Zoom: Easy Money Alone in the Universe: Blue (When I was a Boy if we aren’t counting bonus tracks)
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Post by Helmut83 on Apr 29, 2019 3:01:15 GMT
I'm surprised by the general lack of singles in my list, but here it is, anyway: Mr. Radio From The Sun To The World (Boogie #1) Daybreaker Mister Kingdom One Summer Dream Mission (A World Record) Big Wheels The Diary Of Horace Wimp All Over The World Rain Is Falling Hello My Old Friend* Sorrow About To Fall Ordinary Dream When I Was A Boy *If this doesn't count, I'll happily settle for Stranger... Searching for coincidences, it looks like we both have the same dreams (the Summer and the Ordinary ones). Also, if you read the songs you chose upside down, the following phrase is formed: "Hello my old friend, rain is falling all over the world". Maybe I'm having too much spare time these days?
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Post by Helmut83 on Apr 29, 2019 3:04:06 GMT
Time: The Lights Go Down (The Bouncer if bonus tracks count) Zoom: Easy Money Great picks these 3.
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Post by coathanger on Apr 29, 2019 6:58:45 GMT
Exactly, claytonm4500 . No matter how many times I tried to make it clear that it was not a greatest hits list but my personal favorites, the same kind of insults kept coming because the big hits were not there (you forgot to mention Turn To Stone, I lost count of how many times people repproached me it's absence). Thank you! The weird thing is that my video stood for almost 7 years! You'd think that if there were a reason to take it down, they would had taken it down not long after it was posted, as happened with yours. But no, mine went on for 6+ years and suddenly there was something wrong with it. YouTube are getting increasingly edgy about copyright infringement and more and more videos are being pulled because of it. Artists are getting stroppy about losing revenue (quite rightly as it's often their main income we're talking about) and are threatening social media providers with legal action in order to tighten up the rules. Now, it would seem that your video containing snippets of ELO songs was finally caught because the technology employed to sniff out transgressors has become far more effective in recent years where previously it wasn't. Initially, YouTube and the like relied on human reporting which is both haphazard, unreliable and slow. These days, waveform sniffers can detect illegally posted songs and report automatically, meaning you run the risk of being caught far more quickly. This is likely the explanation for why your video was online for so long prior to its eventual removal. Interestingly, the same sort of technology is employed to detect illegally uploaded video clips as well which is why some posters go to extreme lengths to warp the sound and picture to try and evade the sniffers. It is frustrating for a poster to have their work removed but in the end, it boils down to one thing and one thing only, money - and someone else's money at that. To give you a good example, I'm friends with a musician who wrote a very famous song (which most people on here will be familiar with) and enjoyed the fruits of his composition by being able to pay a proportion of his mortgage with the royalties. This revenue has gradually eroded as online piracy has increased and although the song is heard even more than before these days, the income it generates (through his hard work and to which he is entitled) has become a trickle. It's worth remembering that there are many victims of YouTube like this and it's not nice for the vast majority of them.
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Post by Helmut83 on Apr 29, 2019 18:04:52 GMT
YouTube are getting increasingly edgy about copyright infringement and more and more videos are being pulled because of it. Artists are getting stroppy about losing revenue (quite rightly as it's often their main income we're talking about) and are threatening social media providers with legal action in order to tighten up the rules. Now, it would seem that your video containing snippets of ELO songs was finally caught because the technology employed to sniff out transgressors has become far more effective in recent years where previously it wasn't. Initially, YouTube and the like relied on human reporting which is both haphazard, unreliable and slow. These days, waveform sniffers can detect illegally posted songs and report automatically, meaning you run the risk of being caught far more quickly. This is likely the explanation for why your video was online for so long prior to its eventual removal. Interestingly, the same sort of technology is employed to detect illegally uploaded video clips as well which is why some posters go to extreme lengths to warp the sound and picture to try and evade the sniffers. It is frustrating for a poster to have their work removed but in the end, it boils down to one thing and one thing only, money - and someone else's money at that. To give you a good example, I'm friends with a musician who wrote a very famous song (which most people on here will be familiar with) and enjoyed the fruits of his composition by being able to pay a proportion of his mortgage with the royalties. This revenue has gradually eroded as online piracy has increased and although the song is heard even more than before these days, the income it generates (through his hard work and to which he is entitled) has become a trickle. It's worth remembering that there are many victims of YouTube like this and it's not nice for the vast majority of them. coathanger , I totally understand what you say, and I think it's OK that artists do whatever they got to do to protect their intellectual property, which is after all protecting one of their sources of income. Now, you seem to be talking about full songs uploaded to YouTube, and up to there I agree. In fact, time ago I had uploaded the OOTB full album and they took it down, and I totally understand why they are doing it (and was expecting it). But my top 25 ELO songs clip had stints of 10 to 20 seconds of each song. Does that make them lose any money at all, or damage them in any way? Is there a single person in the world who will stop buying the original song because he heard a 15-second-long part of the song? I'd say the answer to both questions is "no". In any case, the effect of a video like that being on the internet is closer to advertisement, as listeners will feel curious and try to get to listen the full song. I'd totally respect them taking down my video if I saw how I'm damaging Jeff Lynne with that, but I don't see it. So, in conclusion, I think it's stupid. Now, if Jeff Lynne's lawyers come with the law and international treaties in their hands and say "we are not willing to allow anyone to upload not even the shortest stint of any ELO song, not matter if it's a tribute to the band", well, they may have the right, but I think it's stupid, as I'm sure they are losing no money at all because of it and they'll be cleaning the internet of videos that could help spread the love for the band. I think it's people (lawyers among others) being blinded so badly by stinginess that in the end it backfires them. Lastly, I didn't upload my videoclip illegally; in any case, what we can debate if it's illegal is the content of the video.
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Post by coathanger on Apr 29, 2019 19:55:11 GMT
YouTube are getting increasingly edgy about copyright infringement and more and more videos are being pulled because of it. Artists are getting stroppy about losing revenue (quite rightly as it's often their main income we're talking about) and are threatening social media providers with legal action in order to tighten up the rules. Now, it would seem that your video containing snippets of ELO songs was finally caught because the technology employed to sniff out transgressors has become far more effective in recent years where previously it wasn't. Initially, YouTube and the like relied on human reporting which is both haphazard, unreliable and slow. These days, waveform sniffers can detect illegally posted songs and report automatically, meaning you run the risk of being caught far more quickly. This is likely the explanation for why your video was online for so long prior to its eventual removal. Interestingly, the same sort of technology is employed to detect illegally uploaded video clips as well which is why some posters go to extreme lengths to warp the sound and picture to try and evade the sniffers. It is frustrating for a poster to have their work removed but in the end, it boils down to one thing and one thing only, money - and someone else's money at that. To give you a good example, I'm friends with a musician who wrote a very famous song (which most people on here will be familiar with) and enjoyed the fruits of his composition by being able to pay a proportion of his mortgage with the royalties. This revenue has gradually eroded as online piracy has increased and although the song is heard even more than before these days, the income it generates (through his hard work and to which he is entitled) has become a trickle. It's worth remembering that there are many victims of YouTube like this and it's not nice for the vast majority of them. coathanger , I totally understand what you say, and I think it's OK that artists do whatever they got to do to protect their intellectual property, which is after all protecting one of their sources of income. Now, you seem to be talking about full songs uploaded to YouTube, and up to there I agree. In fact, time ago I had uploaded the OOTB full album and they took it down, and I totally understand why they are doing it (and was expecting it). But my top 25 ELO songs clip had stints of 10 to 20 seconds of each song. Does that make them lose any money at all, or damage them in any way? Is there a single person in the world who will stop buying the original song because he heard a 15-second-long part of the song? I'd say the answer to both questions is "no". In any case, the effect of a video like that being on the internet is closer to advertisement, as listeners will feel curious and try to get to listen the full song. I'd totally respect them taking down my video if I saw how I'm damaging Jeff Lynne with that, but I don't see it. So, in conclusion, I think it's stupid. Now, if Jeff Lynne's lawyers come with the law and international treaties in their hands and say "we are not willing to allow anyone to upload not even the shortest stint of any ELO song, not matter if it's a tribute to the band", well, they may have the right, but I think it's stupid, as I'm sure they are losing no money at all because of it and they'll be cleaning the internet of videos that could help spread the love for the band. I think it's people (lawyers among others) being blinded so badly by stinginess that in the end it backfires them. Lastly, I didn't upload my videoclip illegally; in any case, what we can debate if it's illegal is the content of the video. Having been on the periphery of the music business in the UK many years ago (hence me knowing about the song and artist mentioned in my post) I can see some merit in what you say about illegality but the fact is, as the copyright laws stand today, what you did was illegal by uploading even a fraction of a song as you didn't have permission from the publishers or the artist involved. In order to get permission you would have to pay a fee upfront. When I used to play in bands we were members of something called the PRS (Performing Rights Society) and made a payment to them to allow us to perform covers of other people's songs onstage. We felt this was the right thing to do even if we were only playing the odd medley of covers. I knew of at least one band that avoided PRS payments and had to pay a fine in court when they got caught by a PRS official. These days we have a culture of sampling which is also subject to the same copyright laws. I have a sample library of well over 50,000 loops, all of which are free of copyright and useable on anything I record. Alternatively I can, if I wish, purchase sample libraries where the fee I pay entitles me to use the loops (some of which may only be a couple of bars long) as I like. This means the artist gets paid for their labours which is what should happen. Legally, regardless of how daft we may think it is, the only people who have permission to advertise by upload are the artists themselves and their publishers, not you or me or any other fan. Utimately, they have artistic control over how their material should be used or presented. I've seen some dreadful fan-based videos, however well intentioned, that make a band look stupid and have attracted a lot of negative comments so I can easily understand why this sort of thing is sniffed out and clamped down upon. People have been successfully prosecuted for their transgressions and this can also include uploads of unlicenced cover versions. The laws are unlikely to change in our lifetimes. Anyway....mis mejores deseos!
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Post by Helmut83 on Apr 30, 2019 5:27:36 GMT
I know. They have the right. They could choose to excercise it or not, and whether they do is up to them. I know this. Legally speaking I cannot question anything. That's clear. Jeff Lynne has as much right to put down my video as he has of not donating a guitar for the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame in Cleveland. No one can sue him/them about it because no one will win, because the law is on their side.
However, why alienate your customers for free? Because that's what we fans are, we are customers. You'd think smart people who sell something would not only limit themselves to deliver the goods they sell but they would also put some care in treating their customers reasonably well, even when the law doesn't force them to and when the customers wouldn't be able to take legal actions against them if they didn't. You'd think they would try to establish a bond of respect and goodwill to make the relationship more pleasant and ensure you don't get fed up and look for another seller.
That's the way I feel about most of my musical heroes. I don't really know if they are good people or not, and I don't care that much; but I value them showing respect and appreciation for fans in general because I'm one of them. And a big majority of them do. We are their customers after all, so even from an economical point of view treating us well is part of the investment.
As a matter of principle I buy original stuff from the musicians I admire. I think they deserve my money and I give it to them willingly in exchange for their product which I value so much. I buy authentic stuff, official records, DVDs, concert tickets, merchandising so my money goes to them. I have bought ELO's discography, live concert DVDs and the merchandise I could get. But then you make a video out of admiration for ELO and with the only purpose of sharing your love for the band and it gets taken down... again, no need to repeat that the law is on their side; my point is they have the choice to do it, not the obligation. They choose to act in a miserable way. Tons and tons of fan made videos about their favorite bands are all over YouTube, but in the case of ELO they will take them down.
I haven't got the right to do anything legal about it, in that sense I have to suck it. But as a customer, at least I can decide what I do with my money. Jeff Lynne seems to be doing everything within his reach to alienate fans, so my decision is that I won't be spending a single cent more in anything that goes to him unless he changes drastically his policy towards his fans. He has been giving me his middle finger so he will sure have mine.
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Post by coathanger on Apr 30, 2019 7:01:22 GMT
I haven't got the right to do anything legal about it, in that sense I have to suck it. But as a customer, at least I can decide what I do with my money. Jeff Lynne seems to be doing everything within his reach to alienate fans, so my decision is that I won't be spending a single cent more in anything that goes to him unless he changes drastically his policy towards his fans. He has been giving me his middle finger so he will sure have mine. It may surprise you to learn that I get as frustrated as you do over this. I know the enormous damage that YouTube has done to artistic income but also realise there's an area where perhaps, more latitude should be given. Either way, I'm in total agreement with you regarding the behaviour of Jeff Lynne. It's never been a close relationship between him and his fans, probably no closer than the relationships he had with his erstwhile band mates (which was pretty shocking) so it doesn't surprise me that his organisation appears so legally top heavy these days. But, like yourself I don't have to like the man to appreciate ELO music, and with that in mind, I'll try and get the thread back to topic with an answer to the OP: My favourite ELO songs by album. The Electric Light Orchestra: Whisper In The Night ELO2: From The Sun To The World On The Third Day: Ma-Ma-Ma Belle Eldorado: Poorboy Face The Music: Poker A New World Record: Shangri-La Out Of The Blue: Big Wheels Discovery: Don't Bring Me Down After that I don't really rate much of it so couldn't give an opinion. The most recent release I don't recognise as being ELO at all, just a Jeff Lynne solo album (which I suspect is how it originated) although it's an improvement on its immediate predecessors IMHO.
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Post by tremblinwilbury on Apr 30, 2019 11:51:10 GMT
Handbags at dawn coathanger!
Zoom has some of the most exquisite production and heartfelt lyrics of any of Jeff's songs.
But, each to their own. I do compliment you on your choices though
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Post by eloneen on Apr 30, 2019 12:04:20 GMT
Although I'd listened to the Zoom album a few times, I didn't own a copy. I finally went ahead and bought it last week. I'm not in love with anything on it yet, but it may grow on me over time. It's a very different sound from the earlier ELO material... but who expects an artist to stay the same, right? It's nice to see that so many of us love "Big Wheels!" I can't get enough of that song! It's my second favorite ELO song overall, but my favorite "Telephone Line" gets a lot of play and recognition.
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Post by Timeblue on Apr 30, 2019 12:32:17 GMT
Handbags at dawn coathanger!
Zoom has some of the most exquisite production and heartfelt lyrics of any of Jeff's songs.
But, each to their own. I do compliment you on your choices though
I've said it before, the world would be a boring place if everyone liked the same things...
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