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Post by Helmut83 on Mar 8, 2019 19:45:42 GMT
Well, since you asked... I think many rock critics are elitist and trend oriented and view bands through that lens - who's cool and who's not, who's well liked among industry insiders and knows how to play the game - instead of critiquing the quality of the music. I couldn't agree more. I think that they guide themselves more by the looks, the acting onstage and their scandals than by the actual music. Sometimes I think that if you throw a couple of TV sets through hotel windows and ride a motorcycle across the hotel hall you'll be good enough for them.
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Post by nobodyschild on Mar 10, 2019 21:24:54 GMT
I can only speak for the younger generation, but Queen is certainly the more “cool” band for most... I’ve only encountered a few people that know who I’m talking about when I tell them my favorite band is the Electric Light Orchestra, without having to mention Mr. Blue Sky or Don’t Bring Me Down. And yet, even with the huge success of the BoRhap movie, Queen only made it to #83 in the top 100 artists of 2018... www.billboard.com/charts/year-end/2018/top-artists(Check out the list at your own risk... it’s disgusting, with a few exceptions... and of course the best band of all is nowhere to be seen...) I’d have to agree with Queen being the “more cool” band for teens my age. If I mention ELO most people go “E-L-what?” but everybody knows the name Queen...though many of them still only know big hits like Bohemian Rhapsody or Killer Queen or Somebody to Love, they have no idea of songs like Good Old Fashioned Lover Boy or Seaside Rendezvous, which is unfortunate because those are lovely songs. And as for that list.... First of all I have never even heard of most of the artists that are on there. Second, the ones that I have heard of, in my opinion, don’t deserve to be that high up on a list. Maybe it’s just me but I don’t think rap is music and a good 98% of modern music, no matter the genre, is trashy. And last I am disappointed that Queen is so low down on the list, not to mention that ELO and even The Beatles aren’t even on there. You’d think that a band as classic and timeless as The Beatles would at least make it on there somewhere instead of some random rapper that I have never even heard of. I wonder if we will ever return to the days where music was actually good.
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Post by Timeblue on Mar 10, 2019 23:39:47 GMT
On the plus side, good music will NEVER die,in 10,20,30 years time the music of ELO,Queen The Beatles et al will always be revered and remembered fondly whilst the likes of Cardi b (?) will barely raise a flicker of interest,so console yourself with this...
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Post by eloneen on Mar 10, 2019 23:57:16 GMT
My two cents: I think that usually the best music from every era ultimately transcends its own time, and has lasting appeal. There's also dreadful music during every era, too. I remember some pretty lame stuff from the 1970s and 1980s. I've said before on here that I firmly believe that each era's pop music is supposed to speak to and resonate with the young people of its time. We're not (most of us on here, at least) who they have in mind, quite frankly. I don't really expect to like much of what is being currently produced; I'm OK with that, and I'm surprised when I do really like something current. I don't think that that necessarily makes it crappy music, though. There were lots of people who thought in the early days that jazz was not good music, and the same was true of rock in its infancy, and even beyond...Times change, society changes, music changes...I can't keep up with it all, but I try to keep up with the important things in life that are changing, things that I have to keep up with; I let the young'uns have their music, and I enjoy mine. No big deal. It will be interesting, though, to see in 10-15 years what music from this current time will have enduring appeal and become a part of the established pop music canon.
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Post by Timeblue on Mar 11, 2019 0:47:33 GMT
My two cents: I think that usually the best music from every era ultimately transcends its own time, and has lasting appeal. There's also dreadful music during every era, too. I remember some pretty lame stuff from the 1970s and 1980s. I've said before on here that I firmly believe that each era's pop music is supposed to speak to and resonate with the young people of its time. We're not (most of us on here, at least) who they have in mind, quite frankly. I don't really expect to like much of what is being currently produced; I'm OK with that, and I'm surprised when I do really like something current. I don't think that that necessarily makes it crappy music, though. There were lots of people who thought in the early days that jazz was not good music, and the same was true of rock in its infancy, and even beyond...Times change, society changes, music changes...I can't keep up with it all, but I try to keep up with the important things in life that are changing, things that I have to keep up with; I let the young'uns have their music, and I enjoy mine. No big deal. It will be interesting, though, to see in 10-15 years what music from this current time will have enduring appeal and become a part of the established pop music canon. A lot of what you say rings true eloneen, there IS good music around today ( I like The Cribs for example) no doubt there are many acts your side of the pond that are equally good. Will these acts be around in 30 years time and have a website talking fondly of their previous triumphs? maybe,maybe not. If you look at any of the previous lists of best selling artists, they will always be filled with the current faves of the music press and no doubt the year after,most of those names will have vanished. I'm just saying that good music will always live on ...
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Post by tremblinwilbury on Mar 11, 2019 8:47:53 GMT
Like I said, elophile, I had reservations about the film. NOBODY could adequately play Freddie. Fact. But... The film gives an impression of him and the band. It isn't a detailed documentary. It doesn't dwell on some aspects. I wasn't going to bother with it - but, I'm glad I did. I have the bluray and have enjoyed the recreation (a very detailed recreation) of the Live Aid set. I've really bought into Rami's interpretation of Freddie. Even so, I went back to look at the real thing. The film has been a reminder, to me, on what Queen were/are actually like.
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Post by unomusette on Mar 11, 2019 23:11:15 GMT
Apparently there's talk of making a sequel
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Post by Helmut83 on Mar 12, 2019 1:56:20 GMT
On the plus side, good music will NEVER die,in 10,20,30 years time the music of ELO,Queen The Beatles et al will always be revered and remembered fondly whilst the likes of Cardi b (?) will barely raise a flicker of interest,so console yourself with this... Are you sure, Timeblue ? I agree with the part that the Beatles and Queen will never die (hey, hey, my, my), but ELO? Just check out the ages of the forum members, most of them are above 50. Below that age there's only a few lunatics, isolated cases. And let's not even talk below 25. In my opinion, in 30 years time ELO's music will still be good music, only that know one will know about it. Yeah, I know, I've just won the title of Incurable Optimist, haven't I?
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Post by Helmut83 on Mar 12, 2019 1:59:00 GMT
Apparently there's talk of making a sequel No, for heaven's sake! So many good things have been ruined because of not knowing when to stop ("The Simpsons" comes to my mind as the perfect example), I don't want another.
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Post by Timeblue on Mar 12, 2019 9:05:07 GMT
On the plus side, good music will NEVER die,in 10,20,30 years time the music of ELO,Queen The Beatles et al will always be revered and remembered fondly whilst the likes of Cardi b (?) will barely raise a flicker of interest,so console yourself with this... Are you sure, Timeblue ? I agree with the part that the Beatles and Queen will never die (hey, hey, my, my), but ELO? Just check out the ages of the forum members, most of them are above 50. Below that age there's only a few lunatics, isolated cases. And let's not even talk below 25. In my opinion, in 30 years time ELO's music will still be good music, only that know one will know about it. Yeah, I know, I've just won the title of Incurable Optimist, haven't I? I think Jeff's music WILL stand the test of time, my son is 23 and with no help from me,he loves ELO (he even went with me to Wembley in 2017) Good music will always shine through.
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Post by unomusette on Mar 12, 2019 9:24:34 GMT
Apparently there's talk of making a sequel No, for heaven's sake! So many good things have been ruined because of not knowing when to stop ("The Simpsons" comes to my mind as the perfect example), I don't want another. As someone commented on Twitter, it's a bit "We will, we will milk you"....
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Post by Grroosss on Mar 12, 2019 10:03:42 GMT
On the plus side, good music will NEVER die,in 10,20,30 years time the music of ELO,Queen The Beatles et al will always be revered and remembered fondly whilst the likes of Cardi b (?) will barely raise a flicker of interest,so console yourself with this... Are you sure, Timeblue ? I agree with the part that the Beatles and Queen will never die (hey, hey, my, my), but ELO? Just check out the ages of the forum members, most of them are above 50. Below that age there's only a few lunatics, isolated cases. And let's not even talk below 25. In my opinion, in 30 years time ELO's music will still be good music, only that know one will know about it. Yeah, I know, I've just won the title of Incurable Optimist, haven't I? Well, here’s one proud “lunatic”, and I fully intend to spawn as many more lunatics and isolated cases as I possibly can by subtly (or not so subtly) impressing my love for ELO onto others...! It is true that in 30 years we’ll have pretty much lost the generation that grew up while these bands were in their heyday and therefore their music won’t be part of collective culture anymore, but I’d argue that the situation among the youth won’t be much different than it is now... already you mostly just have “surface level” fans who appreciate good, old music but only know a handful of songs from any particular band—it takes one of us crazy outliers to really dig and explore, and I’m sure in the future there will still be some of those who discover ELO. Thank you to all of you who mentioned it, for the reminder that truly great music will live on forever... it’s far too easy for me to lose sight of that when I hate quite possibly every song that’s considered popular nowadays. There is *some* good music out there, but you have to look long and hard to find it, and it’s certainly not what’s topping the charts... Here’s to everyone with good taste in music (and some scientific proof to back you up)!
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Post by tremblinwilbury on Mar 12, 2019 10:52:06 GMT
Apparently there's talk of making a sequel No, for heaven's sake! So many good things have been ruined because of not knowing when to stop ("The Simpsons" comes to my mind as the perfect example), I don't want another. I'm, with you on that Helmut83.
Keeping on the Queen subject, there is only one Highlander film (pun definitely intended). The sequels and series don't count - they're rubbish.
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Post by nobodyschild on Mar 13, 2019 4:06:14 GMT
Are you sure, Timeblue ? I agree with the part that the Beatles and Queen will never die (hey, hey, my, my), but ELO? Just check out the ages of the forum members, most of them are above 50. Below that age there's only a few lunatics, isolated cases. And let's not even talk below 25. I’m not even 18 yet...I guess that makes me even crazier than a lunatic! It’s a title I’m proud of though 😜 Guess I was just born in the wrong generation, my three favorite bands are ELO, The Beatles, and Queen (and my favorite TV show is Star Trek, the originals from the 1960s) and I don’t care that most people in my generation think that that’s “not cool” and that most fans are my parents’ age...though it would be cool to see more young people into this stuff.
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Post by vlogdance on May 5, 2019 20:50:08 GMT
Today I found the whole movie on YouTube, in several parts. Hope you can all access this. Here's the first section. Enjoy.
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