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Evita
Oct 9, 2014 16:14:14 GMT
Post by Timeblue on Oct 9, 2014 16:14:14 GMT
Just come back from a 2 day jaunt to the capitol in which I saw 'Evita' at the dominion.I've always wanted to see this since it first came out in 1978 and I thought the performance was superb from all the cast. I can highly recommend the show if anyones interested.
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Post by Helmut83 on Oct 9, 2014 17:20:48 GMT
It's funny how 1st world countries find it chic to idealize and pay tribute to the authoritarian shits that have destroyed our countries and taken them to the 3rd world. Those same countries would never have liked to have them as their governors, but for some reason they find it interesting to watch the phenom from the distance and even praise and make theatre shows of our dictators. Timeblue, if you lived in Argentina you would probably be more aware of the damage that lady did to my country and to the mentality of it's people, and having to suffer it's consequences daily I'd bet you would have found it harder to enjoy the show even when the performance of the actors involved was exceptional.
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Post by 88keys on Oct 9, 2014 18:43:20 GMT
It's funny how 1st world countries find it chic to idealize and pay tribute to the authoritarian shits that have destroyed our countries and taken them to the 3rd world. Those same countries would never have liked to have them as their governors, but for some reason they find it interesting to watch the phenom from the distance and even praise and make theatre shows of our dictators. Timeblue, if you lived in Argentina you would probably be more aware of the damage that lady did to my country and to the mentality of it's people, and having to suffer it's consequences daily I'd bet you would have found it harder to enjoy the show even when the performance of the actors involved was exceptional. Wow. Lighten up, dude.
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Evita
Oct 9, 2014 18:49:04 GMT
Post by Timeblue on Oct 9, 2014 18:49:04 GMT
It's funny how 1st world countries find it chic to idealize and pay tribute to the authoritarian shits that have destroyed our countries and taken them to the 3rd world. Those same countries would never have liked to have them as their governors, but for some reason they find it interesting to watch the phenom from the distance and even praise and make theatre shows of our dictators. Timeblue, if you lived in Argentina you would probably be more aware of the damage that lady did to my country and to the mentality of it's people, and having to suffer it's consequences daily I'd bet you would have found it harder to enjoy the show even when the performance of the actors involved was exceptional. I am aware of the damage Eva did your country,the way she got to the top whilst climbing over anyone and everyone who got in her way,she was the original 'wannabe' fame at all costs woman who fooled virtually the whole country. The UK had a lot of interests in Argentina at the time of her rise to power and she saw to it that British companies and firms were all expelled which helped win more votes but financially it was a bad move for Argentina. The musical shows this without being sentimental and schmaltzy. Plus the music ain't bad either.
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Evita
Oct 9, 2014 18:55:00 GMT
Post by Helmut83 on Oct 9, 2014 18:55:00 GMT
Don't tell me what to do. I wasn't being disrespectful or anything, I was just expressing my ideas and didn't mess with anyone. Stay away from it if you don't like it, but there was no need for that.
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Evita
Oct 9, 2014 19:07:09 GMT
Post by Helmut83 on Oct 9, 2014 19:07:09 GMT
I am aware of the damage Eva did your country,the way she got to the top whilst climbing over anyone and everyone who got in her way,she was the original 'wannabe' fame at all costs woman who fooled virtually the whole country. The UK had a lot of interests in Argentina at the time of her rise to power and she saw to it that British companies and firms were all expelled which helped win more votes but financially it was a bad move for Argentina. The musical shows this without being sentimental and schmaltzy. Plus the music ain't bad either. Well, it's good to know that you are aware of whom Evita was and what she did here. Unfortunately, not everyone does and these kind of musical shows or films sell the people a false image about someone who fought for the poor, when all she did was use them in her own benefit and try to create as much poverty as possible so as to take advantage of it. Most people don't even bother to search for a bit of information, they prefer to consume the image they are exposed to. I don't doubt that the performances must have been brilliant. I'm just bothered by the fact of someone making a musical about a human being who was so perverse and who condemned millions to live in a state of poverty that is equivalent to living like animals. To give you another perspective, what would people think if they made a musical about Hitler in which the Fuhrer entered the stage singing songs about his ideals? It would be a world-wide scandal, wouldn't it? So why is this not seen in the same way? Just because it happened in a far-away country and it never touched Europe or the US from close enough?
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Evita
Oct 9, 2014 19:36:29 GMT
Post by Timeblue on Oct 9, 2014 19:36:29 GMT
Sorry to hear that you still find it traumatic after all this time Helmut. I always try to research what I watch and I did know the 'basic' story of Eva. I wish we in the UK were as passionate about politics as Argentina is.
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Post by Helmut83 on Oct 9, 2014 19:59:00 GMT
Sorry to hear that you still find it traumatic after all this time Helmut. I always try to research what I watch and I did know the 'basic' story of Eva. I was born in 1983, so I didn't live in Peron's era, but to give one example of how it has extended to these days, we have been under a peronist government the last 12 years (yes, 12, because peronists, following the example of their leader, won't go away just because their mandate expires) and it could well be extended indefinitely. And it's traumatic because you are in permanent contact with it's consequences, from a thief aiming a gun at you or one of your relatives' head (last week it happened to my sister) to people drinking water from ponds in the street because they haven't got any means to get clean water. And we are talking about a country that before Peron came had the 7th biggest PBI per capita of the world and was a thriving economy with people coming to live here from all over the world. I wish we in the UK were as passionate about politics as Argentina is. I think being interested in politics is a good thing, but being so passionate isn't. In fact, I wish we (and of course I include myself here) were less passionate about politics, to the point of being like the English people. Having a people too passionate about politics is a bad indicator IMO. Whenever you have a typically bad, authoritarian government that seeks to divide people tempers tend to heat up a lot. On the contrary, when you don't feel harmed or attacked by the government is when you tend to be a bit more indifferent towards politics, so that would be a good indicator in my opinion. Anyway, sorry to ruin your thread. I've already had my say. On with the opinions about the musical.
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Post by Timeblue on Oct 9, 2014 20:12:41 GMT
Well,it wasn't the response That I was expecting! Everyone has an opinion an you are entitled to it Helmut.
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Evita
Oct 10, 2014 18:43:19 GMT
Post by Timeblue on Oct 10, 2014 18:43:19 GMT
I know you think that this show is a bit of fluff and condescending but the lyrics to this song seem to encapsulate the whole show......
Oh What A Circus CHE Oh what a circus! Oh what a show! Argentina has gone to town Over the death of an actress called Eva Peron We've all gone crazy Mourning all day and mourning all night Falling over ourselves to get all Of the misery right
Oh what an exit! That's how to go! When they're ringing your curtain down Demand to be buried like Eva Peron It's quite a sunset And good for the country in a roundabout way We've made the front page of all the world's papers today
But who is this Santa Evita? Why all this howling hysterical sorrow? What kind of goddess has lived among us? How will we ever get by without her?
She had her moments--she had some style The best show in town was the crowd Outside the Casa Rosada crying, "Eva Peron" But that's all gone now As soon as the smoke from the funeral clears We're all going to see and how she did nothing for years!
CROWD Salve regina mater misericordiae Vita dulcedo et spes nostra Salve salve regina Ad te clamamus exules filii Eva Ad te suspiramus gementes et flentes O clemens o pia
CHE You let down your people Evita You were supposed to have been immortal That's all they wanted Not much to ask for But in the end you could not deliver
Sing you fools! But you got it wrong Enjoy your prayers because you haven't got long Your queen is dead, your king is through She's not coming back to you
Show business kept us all alive Since 17 October 1945 But the star has gone, the glamour's worn thin That's a pretty bad state for a state to be in
Instead of government we had a stage Instead of ideas a prima donna's rage Instead of help we were given a crowd She didn't say much but she said it loud
Sing you fools? But you got it wrong Enjoy your prayers because you haven't got long Your queen is dead, your king is through She's not coming back to you
CROWD Salve regina mater misericordiae Vita dulcedo et spes nostra Salve salve regina Peron Ad te clamamus exules filii Eva Ad te suspiramus gementes et flentes O clemens o pia
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Evita
Oct 10, 2014 20:18:47 GMT
Post by Helmut83 on Oct 10, 2014 20:18:47 GMT
Hhhmmm, I see... interesting. At least it talks about some of her bads.
In my opinion, she was much worse than an empty package or an actress that did nothing more than talk. She instilled and instigated hatred. She transformed the whole mentality of the Argentinian people and made them resentful. Argentine people today are resentful as you can imagine. They hate everyone. They hate the rich, they hate the knowledgeable, they hate other races, they hate corporations, they hate other countries, they hate the US, they hate Europeans (particularly the English)... they are always blaming someone else of their disgraces and prone to believe every conspiracy theory they hear. She and Peron had transformed it into a sad, resentful country. That's Evita's legacy, that's why I think she wasn't just an actress that didn't do anything on the political field. But, like I said before, it's good that at least they expose some bads.
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Evita
Oct 11, 2014 0:25:07 GMT
Post by Rob 2095 on Oct 11, 2014 0:25:07 GMT
When all is said and done, there are few things in life more embarrassing than attending an opera or musical, getting caught up and enthusiastic enough in the female parts that you sing along... and then being quickly and painfully reminded that you don't have the voice for it.
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Evita
Oct 11, 2014 2:53:22 GMT
Post by Helmut83 on Oct 11, 2014 2:53:22 GMT
When all is said and done, there are few things in life more embarrassing than attending an opera or musical, getting caught up and enthusiastic enough in the female parts that you sing along... and then being quickly and painfully reminded that you don't have the voice for it. You are talking generically, but if you were able to reach that conclussion, one has to imagine that at some point you have personally been through that kind of situation. Would you share further details with us? Where and which was the theatre? Which was the musical? What was the female part that you were singing at full voice? And in which conditions did you make your exit from the theatre room?
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Evita
Oct 11, 2014 19:01:20 GMT
Post by Rob 2095 on Oct 11, 2014 19:01:20 GMT
You are talking generically, but if you were able to reach that conclussion, one has to imagine that at some point you have personally been through that kind of situation. Would you share further details with us? Where and which was the theatre? Which was the musical? What was the female part that you were singing at full voice? And in which conditions did you make your exit from the theatre room? You wouldn't want to know. The main goal of the post was to lighten the mood of the thread. Besides, my mind is so scrambled right now it would be impossible to make u... to recount yet another perfectly true, but terrifying incident from the past.
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Post by jefflynnenut on Oct 15, 2014 12:10:45 GMT
Don't tell me what to do. I wasn't being disrespectful or anything, I was just expressing my ideas and didn't mess with anyone. Stay away from it if you don't like it, but there was no need for that. Ah thats it! Passion at its best! God I love this bloody forum! Can y'all imagine the conversation and hugs better if we ever organise a big meet up for an E.L.O. tribute event? I don't feel so conscious about my take that rant anymore! Good healthy passion. Helmut yer a man after my own heart!
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