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Post by jefflynnenut on Sept 22, 2014 14:13:59 GMT
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Post by Chippa on Sept 22, 2014 18:26:30 GMT
As pretentiously hipster as Pitchfork is, I think they got this one right.
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Post by jefflynnenut on Sept 22, 2014 18:29:44 GMT
As pretentiously hipster as Pitchfork is, I think they got this one right. Just about.....there was smiling and frowning all at the same time for me! Me face is exhausted!
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Post by Helmut83 on Sept 23, 2014 2:17:08 GMT
"...the ability to arrange string parts that do much more than merely play the song's chord progression, instead offering rich melodic counterpoints". Excellent observation. Music critics should go more to this kind of analysis.
Some other observations:
- I don't find many disco elements in OOTB. Falsettos and arcade synths are present in innumerable genres, and melodramatic strings (in a smaller proportion) too. In any case, they are just isolated elements. Nothing in OOTB sounds similar to disco for me. What I think is that Mr. Mitchum was inevitably predisposed by the era.
- I quite like "Birmingham blues" (except for it's flat chorus). I don't think it's a silly throwback.
- "Boston-esque"... I don't get how someone could take Boston as a reference.
Other than that, I agree pretty much with the review.
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Post by jefflynnenut on Sept 23, 2014 8:37:47 GMT
Boston-esque"... I don't get how someone could take Boston as a reference.Other than that, I agree pretty much with the review.
Absolutely! I completely agree and whilst I have complete respect for Bostons debut album being that it was pretty much the first garage recorded, self financed, successful debut....nothing comes close to Lynne's production techniques or approach to string overdubs for the time. I would also like to point out the next "critic" that compares E.L.O. to ABBA (no disrespect to ABBA) needs a swift bang of a hammer to the temple!
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Post by Helmut83 on Sept 23, 2014 15:55:55 GMT
Yeah, I agree about that last thing. You know, for some strange reason, the worst insult you can make to my favourite band is putting it in the same bag with bands I consider infinitely inferior. I don't mind if you don't like my favourite band. You are not supposed to like them or even know them. You can even mock them, say they are shit, they are a bunch of faggots, say they are the worst band ever and I will calmly disagree or even find your concepts amusing, but if you say they were good and name them along with other bands which to me stand as not even remotely comparable in terms of quality, as if they were part of the same category, that's were I grab the bottle by the neck and break it against the table. It has happened to me not long ago. When asked which bands I liked I said that my favourite was ELO. Then this guy next to me starts "oh, ELO, yes, they were fantastic! Those times... there were a lot of great bands... ELO, The Cars, Supertramp..."... ... ... That's when I went berserk and wanted to spin a cable around his neck and thighten it while saying "damn mothafucka you don't even understand what ELO is about, dare you put them again in the same bag with those shitty bands and I will hang you from the ceiling". Instead, I preferred to finish the conversation about music right there. If the guy thought that The Cars, Supertramp and ELO were all part of the same family, our understanding of the music world was so different there was nothing else to talk about. Something similar happens to me each time someone compares ELO to ABBA. Despite what everyone says (included most everyone on this forum), I don't think ABBA were fantastic or one of the best bands ever. I don't think they were even good. I don't like 97% of their songs and I find them unswallowably corny. Also, ELO and them move on two very different levels of complexity. Having someone compare ELO to ABBA makes me think they are missing the essence of ELO, as well as comparing them to a band which I see as infinitely inferior, so, in a certain way, insulting ELO by degrading them to the same level of ABBA. Yeah, I'm a very intolerant madman.
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Post by jefflynnenut on Sept 23, 2014 21:49:25 GMT
Yeah, I agree about that last thing. You know, for some strange reason, the worst insult you can make to my favourite band is putting it in the same bag with bands I consider infinitely inferior. I don't mind if you don't like my favourite band. You are not supposed to like them or even know them. You can even mock them, say they are shit, they are a bunch of faggots, say they are the worst band ever and I will calmly disagree or even find your concepts amusing, but if you say they were good and name them along with other bands which to me stand as not even remotely comparable in terms of quality, as if they were part of the same category, that's were I grab the bottle by the neck and break it against the table. It has happened to me not long ago. When asked which bands I liked I said that my favourite was ELO. Then this guy next to me starts "oh, ELO, yes, they were fantastic! Those times... there were a lot of great bands... ELO, The Cars, Supertramp..."... ... ... That's when I went berserk and wanted to spin a cable around his neck and thighten it while saying "damn mothafucka you don't even understand what ELO is about, dare you put them again in the same bag with those shitty bands and I will hang you from the ceiling". Instead, I preferred to finish the conversation about music right there. If the guy thought that The Cars, Supertramp and ELO were all part of the same family, our understanding of the music world was so different there was nothing else to talk about. Something similar happens to me each time someone compares ELO to ABBA. Despite what everyone says (included most everyone on this forum), I don't think ABBA were fantastic or one of the best bands ever. I don't think they were even good. I don't like 97% of their songs and I find them unswallowably corny. Also, ELO and them move on two very different levels of complexity. Having someone compare ELO to ABBA makes me think they are missing the essence of ELO, as well as comparing them to a band which I see as infinitely inferior, so, in a certain way, insulting ELO by degrading them to the same level of ABBA. Yeah, I'm a very intolerant madman. This is the best rant post I have ever read...infact I am completely speechless and I suddenly feel a brotherhood with this good man. I have spent 28 years listening to the same bullsh*t and I hearby retract my statement (no disrespect to ABBA) as I had a fear of upsetting someone and being told to "quiet down" so here it goes....ABBA can eat a giant bag of sh*t. Anyone who compares ELO to ABBA or get this one (James Bond music???!) (Yes someone said this to me!!)need to be repeatedly banged in the temple with a clawhammer. HELMUT FOR PRESiDENT!
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Post by Helmut83 on Sept 23, 2014 23:20:39 GMT
Hahaha... I never realized I was putting out such a fine piece of literature (still have my doubts), but if you say so...
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Post by BSJ on Sept 23, 2014 23:25:15 GMT
It's gold. Pure gold!
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Post by Rob 2095 on Sept 24, 2014 0:16:45 GMT
I've heard of and have seen Latin temper before, but this takes the crêpe.
What was the guy next to you suppose to say or how was he suppose to word that sentence?
"Those times... there were a lot of great bands, and then there was ELO! They were in a league of their own... are you gonna set that bottle down now, Helmut?"
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Post by jefflynnenut on Sept 24, 2014 8:10:52 GMT
Helmut....getting back to that "I don't like 97% of ABBA music"...lets talk about the other 3%...would this by any chance be "the winner takes it all" or "SOS"? picture me asking you this question....you (like Hannible Lecter) straped to a psychiatrists leather couch (for my pretection of course) and me with a comb over and a very important looking pair of specs and a clipboard. Whats your 3%?!
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Post by Helmut83 on Sept 24, 2014 16:14:26 GMT
I've heard of and have seen Latin temper before, but this takes the crêpe.
What was the guy next to you suppose to say or how was he suppose to word that sentence?
"Those times... there were a lot of great bands, and then there was ELO! They were in a league of their own... are you gonna set that bottle down now, Helmut?" We are passionate people, Rob. Our blood boils at low temperatures and we aren't very fond of middle grounds. Of all the possible replies the guy next to me could have given me, the one you say would have been the best, of course. In that case, the reason I would have grabbed the bottle is to fill that gentleman's glass and drink in the honour of good music. But if you read the first paragraph of my rant (as defined by jefflynnenut) you will realize the guy had other options which wouldn't have significantly altered my mood. He just happened to step in the only wrong hole there was. And hey, spell check your messege, my friend. With so many people wanting the "d" these days, forgetting about the "d" seems almost like an act of flaunt.
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Post by Helmut83 on Sept 24, 2014 16:37:23 GMT
Helmut....getting back to that "I don't like 97% of ABBA music"...lets talk about the other 3%...would this by any chance be "the winner takes it all" or "SOS"? picture me asking you this question....you (like Hannible Lecter) straped to a psychiatrists leather couch (for my pretection of course) and me with a comb over and a very important looking pair of specs and a clipboard. Whats your 3%?! Oh, heck! Has it ever happened to you that while trying to make a point you leave loose ends somewhere and then you are praying for people not to realize or not to go back and further ask about them? Well, that just happened to me here, and let me tell you, you didn't let me get away with it, Sir. First thing, if I were Hannibal Lecter I would try to bite you for spelling my name so wrong . Then, in a grumpy voice, I would confess that 3% is basically made of "Gimme, gimme, gimme" and "Take a chance on me". Finally, I would humbly beg you not to spread that information, because who would fear or even respect a human flesh eating assasin who secretly sings and dances to those two songs on his idle nights? And no, "The winner takes it all" and "SOS" (this one's a bit better but not quite) for me are more or less at the same level as the rest of ABBA's work. How about you? Are those two songs you mentioned an exception to the rule in your case?
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Post by thewordsofaaron on Sept 24, 2014 20:01:39 GMT
Yeah, I agree about that last thing. You know, for some strange reason, the worst insult you can make to my favourite band is putting it in the same bag with bands I consider infinitely inferior. I don't mind if you don't like my favourite band. You are not supposed to like them or even know them. You can even mock them, say they are shit, they are a bunch of faggots, say they are the worst band ever and I will calmly disagree or even find your concepts amusing, but if you say they were good and name them along with other bands which to me stand as not even remotely comparable in terms of quality, as if they were part of the same category, that's were I grab the bottle by the neck and break it against the table. It has happened to me not long ago. When asked which bands I liked I said that my favourite was ELO. Then this guy next to me starts "oh, ELO, yes, they were fantastic! Those times... there were a lot of great bands... ELO, The Cars, Supertramp..."... ... ... That's when I went berserk and wanted to spin a cable around his neck and thighten it while saying "damn mothafucka you don't even understand what ELO is about, dare you put them again in the same bag with those shitty bands and I will hang you from the ceiling". Instead, I preferred to finish the conversation about music right there. If the guy thought that The Cars, Supertramp and ELO were all part of the same family, our understanding of the music world was so different there was nothing else to talk about. Something similar happens to me each time someone compares ELO to ABBA. Despite what everyone says (included most everyone on this forum), I don't think ABBA were fantastic or one of the best bands ever. I don't think they were even good. I don't like 97% of their songs and I find them unswallowably corny. Also, ELO and them move on two very different levels of complexity. Having someone compare ELO to ABBA makes me think they are missing the essence of ELO, as well as comparing them to a band which I see as infinitely inferior, so, in a certain way, insulting ELO by degrading them to the same level of ABBA. Yeah, I'm a very intolerant madman. i always find it rather interesting...and amusing...when someone wanders up and says stuff like 'i dont like 97% of Abba songs.....or...and i find this even more amazing....'i dont like anything by the Beatles'...probably just me.....but there you go....
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Post by thewordsofaaron on Sept 24, 2014 20:11:19 GMT
well..sure am glad i didnt read this garb back in 2007....Rob Mitchum...what a dick....clearly has no idea what elo was about if he goes round saying.... By this, his seventh album, Lynne had developed the idea far beyond the cheesy primordial mashups like his "Roll Over Beethoven" cover (excepting the silly throwback "Birmingham Blues") ...cheesy...RoB....you are kidding me right....i cant not make comment about how offensive i find that remark, clearly the bloke was about 25, im guessing, when he wrote that....its usually the same with groups like elo...young guys writing contrite shit about tracks that were made even before they were born.... and...mitchum...you have your opinion...and i will have mine....
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