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Post by Helmut83 on Jul 23, 2016 16:28:51 GMT
Exactly, well said! It only speaks wonders of the diversity of Jeff's music.
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Post by 88keys on Jul 23, 2016 19:30:54 GMT
I love the song Walk Away Renee by The Left Banke, but that flute solo angers me.
As ELO songs go, 4 Little Diamonds is an awesome rock song until the bridge. Ugh! The same goes for Hold On Tight. That song kicks ass, then he throws in that damn Beach Boys sounding part and it stops the song dead cold.
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Post by queenofthehours on Jul 31, 2016 13:07:58 GMT
'Time After Time' bugs me. All of it. But I bet after I hear it again it'll be my favourite song. That's what usually happens when I hear songs I'm not keen on played live.
Quite a lot of little bits annoy me on SM and BOP, those little added extra "80s" bits. When I hear them, however, I think "it could have been worse, the 80s were a very dangerous time, at least Jeff chose wisely".
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Post by nickheynes on Sept 14, 2016 18:03:22 GMT
I must be going bonkers 'cos all the bits you lot don't like are my favourite bits!
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Post by wolvesgirlgonewild on Sept 14, 2016 23:01:33 GMT
I really love Time after Time actually it's one of my favourite tracks off Secret Messages but I think the repetitive singing of time after time can be annoying after a while! I love every song off Time but I find the verse from 21st Century Man that goes you stepped out of the dream believing everything was gone makes me cringe like to me it doesn't fit with the rest of the song. I love Hold On Tight but to me it seems a bit out of place on the album because of the sound and the actual lyrics!
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Post by jrmugz on Dec 22, 2016 12:11:19 GMT
I love the song Walk Away Renee by The Left Banke, but that flute solo angers me. As ELO songs go, 4 Little Diamonds is an awesome rock song until the bridge. Ugh! The same goes for Hold On Tight. That song kicks ass, then he throws in that damn Beach Boys sounding part and it stops the song dead cold. What? Bridge of "4LD" makes the song for me, they must have liked it too since repeated it twice. Jim
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Post by jrmugz on Dec 22, 2016 12:23:04 GMT
The one song I say "NO NO NO, WHY DID YOU DO THAT???!!!!!" is George Harrison "Poor Little Girl", produced by Jeff. A total classic sounding George Harrison song, with a killer chorus, so why did he have to say "poor horny boy, one thing on his mind", twice in the song. Unnecessarily ruins a completely innocent song for absolutely no reason at all. So unnecessary, and such easily replaceable lyrics, and it contradicts the chorus of the love in the heart of the poor boy towards the poor girl. I still love the song, but song would be a 15, not a 9 on a 10 scale, to me, if they just could have thought that through a tad better. And I think it could have charted #1, if they realized what they had with that song and thought it through, too. I think they were just in a mode of making a few originals for the best of dark horse years, and didn't realize what they had with that one. It's like if he sang "give me love give me love, give me piece of ass" instead of "give me love, give me peace on earth", for that song. That's what the mistake feels like to me.
Jim
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Post by 88keys on Dec 22, 2016 22:04:16 GMT
The one song I say "NO NO NO, WHY DID YOU DO THAT???!!!!!" is George Harrison "Poor Little Girl", produced by Jeff. A total classic sounding George Harrison song, with a killer chorus, so why did he have to say "poor horny boy, one thing on his mind", twice in the song. Unnecessarily ruins a completely innocent song for absolutely no reason at all. So unnecessary, and such easily replaceable lyrics, and it contradicts the chorus of the love in the heart of the poor boy towards the poor girl. I still love the song, but song would be a 15, not a 9 on a 10 scale, to me, if they just could have thought that through a tad better. And I think it could have charted #1, if they realized what they had with that song and thought it through, too. I think they were just in a mode of making a few originals for the best of dark horse years, and didn't realize what they had with that one. It's like if he sang "give me love give me love, give me piece of ass" instead of "give me love, give me peace on earth", for that song. That's what the mistake feels like to me. Jim Boys, especially teen boys, are walking hormones. He's just pointing out the truth.
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Post by elophile on Dec 22, 2016 23:04:42 GMT
I get you jrmugz it's like watching a show on HBO... great show, great plot and then they throw in a bunch of sex just because it's HBO and they can but it has nothing to do with the plot. I'm not a prude but I hate to have my intelligence insulted.
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Post by jrmugz on Dec 23, 2016 0:57:52 GMT
I get you jrmugz it's like watching a show on HBO... great show, great plot and then they through in a bunch of sex just because it's HBO and they can but it has nothing to do with the plot. I'm not a prude but I hate to have my intelligence insulted. Exactly. But what really bugs me about this, is it should have been a #1 song on Billboard, and I think they didn't see what they had and pissed away the opportunity, like it was some throwaway like "Cheer Down", one of the other originals made for that compilation. I think it was up there with "Blow Away" and his other classics, if not for the laziness on those lyrics. Jim
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Post by jrmugz on Dec 23, 2016 1:03:20 GMT
The one song I say "NO NO NO, WHY DID YOU DO THAT???!!!!!" is George Harrison "Poor Little Girl", produced by Jeff. A total classic sounding George Harrison song, with a killer chorus, so why did he have to say "poor horny boy, one thing on his mind", twice in the song. Unnecessarily ruins a completely innocent song for absolutely no reason at all. So unnecessary, and such easily replaceable lyrics, and it contradicts the chorus of the love in the heart of the poor boy towards the poor girl. I still love the song, but song would be a 15, not a 9 on a 10 scale, to me, if they just could have thought that through a tad better. And I think it could have charted #1, if they realized what they had with that song and thought it through, too. I think they were just in a mode of making a few originals for the best of dark horse years, and didn't realize what they had with that one. It's like if he sang "give me love give me love, give me piece of ass" instead of "give me love, give me peace on earth", for that song. That's what the mistake feels like to me. Jim Boys, especially teen boys, are walking hormones. He's just pointing out the truth. Yeah, but everyone has to go to the toilet too, that's just as natural; so no need to sing about it, and state the obvious. Let people process things for themselves, without forcing the song into that mold. And it contradicts the rest of the song "poor horny boy, one thing on his mind", OK. But then he talks all the love in his heart he wants to express. So it's a completely stupid lyric, that pisses away the meaning and beauty of the rest of the song. It's just plain dumb. I'm surprised Jeff let it slide. Like I say, the only way they could have let that slide, is that they clearly did not see what they had with that song. Big blown opportunity. Alice Cooper has done that a couple times too, had a really great song, but then had to add the Alice Cooper the gimmick to the lyrics, and completely threw away a gem. "Blue Turk" is one that comes to mind. But in this case it wasn't about making the song cater to a gimmick, it was just plain dumb. Jim
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Post by IvanDSM on Dec 24, 2016 12:43:38 GMT
I really love Time after Time actually it's one of my favourite tracks off Secret Messages but I think the repetitive singing of time after time can be annoying after a while! I love every song off Time but I find the verse from 21st Century Man that goes you stepped out of the dream believing everything was gone makes me cringe like to me it doesn't fit with the rest of the song. I love Hold On Tight but to me it seems a bit out of place on the album because of the sound and the actual lyrics! It's what's called an interpolation, the insertion of a different portion in the middle of a song. Two other examples of this in ELO songs would be the 2:41-2:45 section in Showdown (the timecodes might be a bit off if you're listening on a CD) and 2:56-3:00 in Evil Woman (timecodes made based on Mastersound CD). I love this sudden change on 21st Century Man, it's one of the progressive things that make Time stand out from other 1980s synthpop albums. It seems to me this sudden change represents the protagonist waking up. Maybe the guitar solo even represents the protagonist's relief knowing it was just a nightmare and that Julie still lives here?
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Post by BSJ on Dec 24, 2016 23:11:17 GMT
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Post by IvanDSM on Dec 25, 2016 4:58:27 GMT
Errr... you're welcome?
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Post by BSJ on Dec 25, 2016 17:22:57 GMT
For the explanation of interpolation's!
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