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Post by denny on Nov 16, 2019 5:14:01 GMT
I’m a huge fan of Another Heart Breaks. A true moody masterpiece. I hold it in the same high regard as Fire on High. When I was first learning bass that was the first real song I played along with. When I was twelve in ‘81 when the album came out I was always wondering was it synth or guitar? Now I’m much older of course and I still don’t know what the instrumentation was and who played what? I thought I read somewhere that Bev would leave the band if the song wasn’t on the album?
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Post by ShardEnder on Nov 16, 2019 18:53:14 GMT
nope nope nope nope ...starts poorly then doesnt go anywhere... it is a crime when time stood still was left off ShardEnder has explained why "When Time Stood Still" was left off the Time album. The non technical explanation is the song didn't track properly in the inmost placement. I recall the esses were sibilant, but I hope ShardEnder will correct me if I'm wrong. Jeff's solution--write and record a whole new instrumental that contained no esses. A lot of new information has come to light since then, so I'll try giving you all the CliffsNotes version for now... To begin, we can absolutely rule out that Another Heart Breaks was ever specifically created to replace anything. Yes, it was one of the last tracks recorded for Time (along with Hold On Tight), but two different early running orders for the album as a whole have since surfaced, both confirming that it was always intended to end its first half. The problem seems to have been more with how to sequence When Time Stood Still, which opened the second side of a tentative 2LP running order, presumably to avoid issues with sibilance. Due to gaps in what we know about the contents of those acetates, this is the closest we have to a tracklist: A1 - Prologue A2 - Twilight A3 - Yours Truly, 2095 A4 - Ticket To The Moon A5 - The Way Life’s Meant To Be B1 - When Time Stood Still B2 - Julie Don’t Live Here B3 - [UNKNOWN] B4 - Another Heart Breaks C1 - Rain Is Falling C2 - From The End Of The World C3 - The Lights Go Down C4 - Here Is The News D1 - 21st Century Man D2 - The Bouncer D3 - [UNKNOWN] D4 - Hold On Tight D5 - Epilogue Also, here's the partial running order for an interim attempt at compiling the best material into a single LP: A1 - Prologue A2 - Twilight A3 - Yours Truly, 2095 A4 - Ticket To The Moon A5 - The Way Life’s Meant To Be A6 - The Bouncer A7 - Another Heart Breaks While it's possible When Time Stood Still featured on the second side of this configuration, the only disc out there was a single-sided acetate, so unless we find the other half then we're stuck wondering what could have been. At the very least, I suspect its last two songs were consistent with the end product, especially as Epilogue can't logically go anywhere else.
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Post by ShardEnder on Nov 16, 2019 19:18:02 GMT
I was always wondering was it synth or guitar? Now I’m much older of course and I still don’t know what the instrumentation was and who played what? I thought I read somewhere that Bev would leave the band if the song wasn’t on the album? That would be Jeff playing everything, or at least overdubbing a few keyboard tracks - specifically the Oberheim OB-X. As for the possibility of Bev being a fan, I've heard very different... For one, there was a disagreement about the growing reliance on "drum machines" going back to Don't Bring Me Down featuring a rhythm track that consists of several bars looped from the last song Jeff and Mack had been working on (which turned out to be On The Run). With the rest of the Time album mixed, Jeff flew out to Los Angeles intending to supervise the mastering process. However, it seems he also used the opportunity to record two further songs over a two-day session, with Another Heart Breaks being the first of these and Hold On Tight the last. Both showcase the Linn LM-1, and prior to that, a Roland CR-78 can be heard on The Lights Go Down, plus there was extensive use of the Oberheim DMX on Secret Messages then Balance Of Power, so it's safe to conclude that Jeff pushed on with increasingly turning to drum programming technology rather than his bandmate, though there were a few occasions where he enjoyed the opportunity to vent his frustrations, including a notable interview that saw him voicing concerns at having less to do in ELO's final years together. Until the announcement of a tour in support of Time, Bev was seriously considering a reunion with Roy Wood and Ace Kefford as The Move, which ended after just a single performance. Later, he'd kill time after the release of Secret Messages by accepting the offer to stand in for Bill Ward on Black Sabbath's Born Again Tour.
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Post by Timeblue on Nov 16, 2019 22:12:20 GMT
Thanks again for the depth of knowledge that you bring to this forum...
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Post by BIuebird on Nov 17, 2019 15:23:24 GMT
ShardEnderThanks so much for posting that working tracklist! Now I can finally organize TIME into a playlist as it was originally meant to be heard. I'd had ideas about where the bonus tracks were supposed to be organized within the context of the album's story (I was pretty close), but it's great to have the proper list. I noticed there are two unknown tracks in there, does that mean there are two unfinished TIME tracks out there somewhere? Or were those placeholder spaces for songs that never came about?
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Post by ShardEnder on Nov 17, 2019 19:00:36 GMT
That early tracklist comes directly from a set of acetates in the possession of one very lucky collector, but sadly they weren't able to identify the two additional tracks, except to describe the first of these as a slower song. An engineer who worked on some of the Time sessions once recalled an outtake with the possible working title of Sad Affair, which fits Jeff's typical method of giving ballads such names (including Bad Salad, or Big Wheels as it later became). Could these be one and the same? As for the second previously undocumented song, its placement may give us a clue. Rob Caiger loved putting "Easter eggs" in various ELO-related compilations, and one such example is the brief instrumental piece sequenced directly before Hold On Tight that can be found exclusively on the last disc of the Flashback retrospective. If not the full track, was that short clip perhaps the original interlude leading into Hold On Tight? When asked about this recently, it seems like Rob had no idea such a test pressing existed. Hmm...
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Post by denny on Nov 18, 2019 1:37:20 GMT
ShardEnder has the answers! Thanks again...
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Post by queenofthehours on Nov 19, 2019 16:29:44 GMT
I like 'AHB' just fine within the context of the album but I don't think I'd ever listen to it out of context. I don't really see it as a song, like 'Twilight' or anything, more of an atmospheric piece, like incidental music in a movie.
'When Time Stood Still' however is one of my all time favourite ELO songs but that wasn't always the case. I thought it was slow and dull but once I listened closely I found it a very interesting song musically. I love the bass.
Perhaps with a bit more concentration 'AHB' will reveal hidden depths?
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Post by juliedoliveherenow on Nov 20, 2019 19:43:58 GMT
New member and first time poster.
1) Time is a forgotten, under-appreciated masterpiece that will one day get the notoriety is rightly deserves.
2) What isn’t to like about Another Heart Breaks. It is a perfect interlude track.
Hello everyone!
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Post by Timeblue on Nov 20, 2019 21:55:35 GMT
New member and first time poster. 1) Time is a forgotten, under-appreciated masterpiece that will one day get the notoriety is rightly deserves. 2) What isn’t to like about Another Heart Breaks. It is a perfect interlude track. Hello everyone! Hello and welcome to the show! loving the name....
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Post by Grroosss on Nov 26, 2019 10:23:57 GMT
As others have mentioned, Another Heart Breaks is a total "mood" piece. I wouldn't actively search it out to listen to it on its own, but it fits perfectly on the album. I think it conveys more about the protagonist's feelings than lyrics ever could--sad, bleak, lost; it sounds like a scene in a movie where a character is waiting for something big to happen. For me it even manages to capture the sensation of being suspended in time/detached from time, yet still aware of time's passage with that steady "heartbeat" in the background.
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Post by Timeblue on Nov 26, 2019 15:48:55 GMT
As others have mentioned, Another Heart Breaks is a total "mood" piece. I wouldn't actively search it out to listen to it on its own, but it fits perfectly on the album. I think it conveys more about the protagonist's feelings than lyrics ever could--sad, bleak, lost; it sounds like a scene in a movie where a character is waiting for something big to happen. For me it even manages to capture the sensation of being suspended in time/detached from time, yet still aware of time's passage with that steady "heartbeat" in the background. It's the 'heartbeat' that makes it for me too..
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Post by nobodyschild on Dec 3, 2019 1:14:13 GMT
I have to admit I’m really not a fan of AHB. I wish that a different song, like The Bouncer (or Julie Don’t Live Here or When Time Stood Still) had made the cut instead. That being said I understand why the decision was made, AHB fits in perfectly with the concept. I don’t think AHB is a bad song, I just don’t really see anything that it has to offer, it just sounds like background music. (It also really reminds me of a CD my dad used to play a LOT when I was a kid that I didn’t like so I might be a bit hostile to it for that reason...although he swears they sound nothing alike, I think they give off the same vibe—I can’t remember what it’s called, but I’ll ask him later to see if I can find a link to said CD.)
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Post by Mattster-Vinyl on Dec 3, 2019 21:31:22 GMT
“Time” is my favourite ELO album, I like every track, (well apart from AHB, but over the years it has grown on me). To me it’s a perfect ELO concept album from start to finish, my two favourite parts are the way Jeff sings “Yours Truly 2095” and the electric buzz saw guitar on “Hold On Tight”. Favourite line is “Someone left their life behind in a plastic bag” from Here Is The News. Dark, yes I know.
“Julie Don’t Live Here” is the best ever non-album track Jeff and ELO have ever produced and should have been on the album, plus a “45 Single” issue. When you add in the 3 non albums tracks, (The Bouncer, When Time Stood Still & Julie Don’t Live Here ) it makes one of the most enjoyable 55 minutes I can spend in day (especially at my age….)
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Post by BSJ on Dec 4, 2019 1:48:12 GMT
"...electric buzz saw guitar on “Hold On Tight”
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