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Post by Buttler on Aug 18, 2018 21:21:30 GMT
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Are you related to Tot Wolff (Mercedes)?
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Post by Helmut83 on Aug 18, 2018 21:25:48 GMT
I know it because I watched the video. And I'll help your reading comprehension by repeating once again my point: we have seen a fair amount of things that would reasonably lead to believe that Jeff could well not be the very pleasant and nice man many people believe he is (and I once believed as well, before I started opening my eyes to these things). Oh I’ve read all of it pal. But I think that last post sums you up quite nicely. I don’t need to ‘play smart’ as you say.. I’m sure others will make up their own minds. Have a nice day 😉 I'll not be posting about this any further either, but don't play the victim now when you were just saying "good point, well made, well done". With people who know how to discuss in a civil way, I keep the discussion on the proper rails, as has been shown. By the way, if you think you are right don't be so concerned about what others might think. Have a nice day you too.
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Post by Helmut83 on Aug 18, 2018 21:33:24 GMT
*OT* Are you related to Tot Wolff (Mercedes)? You can't deny there's quite a similarity, at least with Fernando's profile picture.
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Ade
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Post by Ade on Aug 18, 2018 21:58:07 GMT
Oh I’ve read all of it pal. But I think that last post sums you up quite nicely. I don’t need to ‘play smart’ as you say.. I’m sure others will make up their own minds. Have a nice day 😉 I'll not be posting about this any further either, but don't play the victim now when you were just saying "good point, well made, well done". With people who know how to discuss in a civil way, I keep the discussion on the proper rails, as has been shown. By the way, if you think you are right don't be so concerned about what others might think. Have a nice day you too. I won’t be commenting any further either after this post. I made a tongue-in-cheek comment (I even included a ‘winking’ emoticon to show I was only being tongue-in-cheek). To which you appeared to take offence. If it caused you offence then I apologise for that. As for playing the victim? I really can’t see what you’re driving at there to be honest. And I was simply putting it out there that people will make their own minds up. About you. About me. About Jeff Lynne and about excerpts from private messages from a deceased family member about a deceased former band member with an axe to grind. Maybe I could have chosen my wording more carefully. But it wasn’t me that got personal and hurled insults about another board members ‘capabilities’. And I’m not playing the victim by the way. Just stating what happened. So. If I have caused offence to you or anyone else on here then I apologise. I actually have personal experience of dealing with Jeff through my volunteer role in UK radio (in Birmingham) and also happen to know people who are lifelong friends of the man. Who are full of stories. So I tend to get a bit hot when I read some of the stuff posted. All I can say is that from my own experience of the man he was utterly utterly charming, affable, amiable and very funny. So that’s it as far as I’m concerned. And I apologise to you Helmut if I caused offence. As you can gather I am totally at odds with you on this. For what it’s worth I don’t claim Jeff to be a saint. I’m sure he has a ruthless streak. Those I have encountered who know him say that he is fiercely loyal and expects loyalty in return. And he stays loyal until crossed - then he can be pretty dismissive, ruthless and will have nothing more to do with people who do cross him or who he believes do him wrong. Which kind of explains a lot. Anyway that’s my final word on the matter. And hope that we can move on as friends. At the end of the day we’re talking about a band for Christ’s sake.
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Post by Helmut83 on Aug 18, 2018 22:24:30 GMT
That's OK Ade . I take your apologies and I ask you to accept mine. I didn't catch the winking emoticon to be honest, I didn't understand it's intention. Those comments just sounded ironical to me and I didn't get the emoticon's intention. That sentence I put about you trying to play smart by saying "well done, etc...", it was a hot take and I realized as soon as I posted that I was replying in a bad way, that's why I immediately erased it. Unfortunately in the 1 or 2 minutes that it was up, you read it. I sincerely apologize again, but it wasn't intended for you to read it, as I took it down as fast as I could. I also interpreted that when you said "others will make up their minds" it was about me, as you were talking about me earlier in that same line ("that last post sums you up"). Well, now I see you were talking about the Jeff Lynne situation. (By the way, you had something really interesting to contribute to the discussion about your personal experience with Jeff Lynne, so why didn't you say it?) Well, I think we can agree that we both threw a few sticks over the top to each other and we shouldn't repeat that conduct. I can discuss a lot but I don't like taking things to a personal level either, it doesn't conduct to anything. Let's carry on on whichever subject, passionately but with respect. As Horace says, discussing about how good or bad our musical idol is can be a sensitive subject, but I agree with you, at the end of the day we are talking about a band. This is settled for me. No rancours or hard feelings on my part.
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Post by eloneen on Aug 18, 2018 22:30:31 GMT
Now that's much better, guys!
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Ade
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Post by Ade on Aug 18, 2018 22:39:45 GMT
No problem Helmut.
I do have a tale to tell but don't tend to publicise it on this or any of the other forums. However, I am more than happy to regale you in private.
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Post by fernandoamado on Aug 20, 2018 17:53:29 GMT
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Are you related to Tot Wolff (Mercedes)?
Holy Tintinnabulation Batman! I'm not related, but man we're very similar!!
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Post by fernandoamado on Aug 20, 2018 17:58:48 GMT
Two things I want to say:
* Let's all play nice. Nothing good can emanate from a forum fight.
* I've read many of you say you have top secret information or some eye-opener story. Please, share them! It's not like the world will stop for a 70's band little scandal, ELO keepa being a low-profile entity. And I'm pretty sure Jeff doesn't know how to open Google Chrome!
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Post by bmac on Aug 20, 2018 20:54:16 GMT
I have no inside information whatsoever. Let me just give my gut feeling about Jeff understanding that since I don't actually know him I could be way off. I think Jeff is a stingy person. Why do I say that? * There seems to be so much smoke in regards to how little he paid band mates that there must be fire. * His silence regarding contributions from past ELO members at the Rock Hall of Fame ceremonies was deafening. * Even though ticket prices are 10 times more than when he last toured the US his shows are the same length (90 minutes is ridiculous in 2018). *I would bet my left arm that his set list on Wednesday at Madison Square Garden will be the same as the previous nights at the same venue even though a number of people will be going to both nights and would love to hear different songs. *Now I know that Jeff appears to be a shy guy so this next example may be unfair, but he offers the fans very little in the way of interaction with the fans. It would be nice if he could interact just a bit more.
Jeff seems to give as little as he can to get what he wants. Maybe that is unfair but it is how I have felt about him for a long time. I'm not even saying he is a bad guy, just that I sense a weakness in this area. We all have them. Just my two cents. Curious if anyone else feels this way about him.
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Post by tightrope on Aug 20, 2018 21:39:09 GMT
Jeff, like everyone here is human. We do know for a fact he has been involved with numerous charities both for children and I understand people with disabilities as well. His friends speak very well of him. I had rather give the guy the benefit of the doubt rather than speculate on any perceived short comings.
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Post by ShardEnder on Aug 21, 2018 11:23:00 GMT
Jeff's charitable side extends to him donating a portion of the royalties from Out Of The Blue - surely one of the most popular ELO albums? - to animal conservation charities, which came out of The Whale being inspired by a documentary he saw back in '77. Also, he's been spotted at various charitable functions and has donated songs to charity in the past, so that side is definitely not being called into question. To be honest, my intention has never been to shed light on any of the "smoke" or "deafening silence" previously mentioned to defame his character, but rather to better explain Jeff's overall career, since professional decisions are just as important as creative ones. Also, while Jeff himself probably wouldn't know how to open Chrome, it's no secret that at least six insiders with access to him I could think of have been spotted either lurking or posting online in recent times. Such negative talk can (and does!) get back to him, so that's why many fear openly sharing certain pieces of information...
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Post by fernandoamado on Aug 21, 2018 13:27:17 GMT
Well, if you say so... Anyway, it's bigger the curiosity than what Jeff's assistant may think, at least to me...
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Post by bmac on Aug 22, 2018 1:59:04 GMT
Jeff's charitable side extends to him donating a portion of the royalties from Out Of The Blue - surely one of the most popular ELO albums? - to animal conservation charities, which came out of The Whale being inspired by a documentary he saw back in '77. Also, he's been spotted at various charitable functions and has donated songs to charity in the past, so that side is definitely not being called into question. To be honest, my intention has never been to shed light on any of the "smoke" or "deafening silence" previously mentioned to defame his character, but rather to better explain Jeff's overall career, since professional decisions are just as important as creative ones. Also, while Jeff himself probably wouldn't know how to open Chrome, it's no secret that at least six insiders with access to him I could think of have been spotted either lurking or posting online in recent times. Such negative talk can (and does!) get back to him, so that's why many fear openly sharing certain pieces of information... Well since I was the one who talked about "smoke" and "deafening silence" I should make it clear (as I should have done when I wrote the post) that I was strictly talking about Jeff's actions in regards to his musical career only. I have absolutely no idea how he treats his family and friends. From what was written above he is a charitable guy and that is wonderful. I believe we all have obligation to help others in need if we have the ability to do so. It is great to hear that Jeff does this. I am only talking about the things he has done from the perspective of his career. One of the reasons I love Bruce Springsteen is that in his mid sixties the guy was playing 3 1/2 hour shows which is insane especially considering the high energy show he puts on. And if you went to see him multiple nights at the same venue you might see half the set list change. Bruce does this because he knows people pay a ton of money for his shows and wants to give them their moneys worth. In no way would I expect Jeff to play that long, but 1 1/2 hours is just not acceptable considering the cost of tickets today. And he played two shows at the LA Forum and he did not change one friggin song. Come on Jeff. I know the band knows at least a few other songs. You couldn't change it up for the people who were there both nights? That is just not a good thing to do to your fans. You might ask how much of a difference would playing say two different songs make, and I would say it would show he cares at least a little. There is something about Jeff that makes me uneasy. Again, I am not in anyway saying he is a bad human being. Not at all. But there are little things I have noticed like the liner notes for the remastered CD's where he wrote things about each song but it was only a line or two at best. He does not interact AT ALL with his audience. I know he is shy (or at least I assume so) but couldn't he give the fans a heartfelt 30 second thank you? Would that really be so traumatizing. I remember I paid a crap load of money to see him at Radio City Music Hall in 2016 and the opening act was a bunch of young people playing violins. They were decent, but how come no act people were familiar with?? The stuff about not paying his band mates or mentioning them at the HOF ceremony is a different thing altogether but leaves me uneasy as well.
Jeff is a wonderful musician. He has provided me with hundreds of hours of pure joy listening to his music, but I do not subscribe to the "we should be happy with whatever he gives us" mindset and I just wish he did more than the bare minimum more often.
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Post by Helmut83 on Aug 22, 2018 4:56:22 GMT
His friends speak very well of him. That's applicable to every singe human being on Earth (even me, and Horace, go figure...).
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