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Post by Helmut83 on Aug 16, 2018 16:45:59 GMT
Forgot to say: thank you trekkielo for the "Young at heart" song, I didn't know it and I really liked it. PS: I'm not going to be explicit but making jokes with the name of that band is extremely easy.
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Post by fernandoamado on Aug 16, 2018 23:46:14 GMT
One day he mistreats badly a young fan (who was a forum user's son), the other day he's on a video saying no to a fan (the only one around) who asked him to sign his guitar, I didn't know about these two cases. Where can I read about it? Pretty shocking...
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Post by tightrope on Aug 17, 2018 0:51:03 GMT
One day he mistreats badly a young fan (who was a forum user's son), the other day he's on a video saying no to a fan (the only one around) who asked him to sign his guitar, I didn't know about these two cases. Where can I read about it? Pretty shocking... Don't be alarmed. Much more was made of it than should have been. The kid went as far as going to Jeff's house if that tells you anything.
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Post by Helmut83 on Aug 17, 2018 5:34:01 GMT
One day he mistreats badly a young fan (who was a forum user's son), the other day he's on a video saying no to a fan (the only one around) who asked him to sign his guitar, I didn't know about these two cases. Where can I read about it? Pretty shocking... The first one happened around 2013, which means it was on the old forum. When we moved to this one under Horace's lead, everything on the old forum was lost, which means you can't revisit the story. The user registered herself on this forum too and is called kcabnrut ("turn back" backwards), though she never participates. The other was filmed in a video on this thread and page, in the second-to-last post: jefflynneselo.proboards.com/thread/992/opinions-on-elo-music-videos?page=31Unfortunately it has been taken down for some reason I ignore, but you can still read the discussion that followed. Kcabnrut's son story was mentioned there too and in page 38 she chimes in and makes a few clarifications about what happened there.
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Post by Chippa on Aug 17, 2018 5:35:27 GMT
I didn't know about these two cases. Where can I read about it? Pretty shocking... Don't be alarmed. Much more was made of it than should have been. The kid went as far as going to Jeff's house if that tells you anything. Yea, you can't just go ringing someone's gate without permission like that. Were the two kids just fans looking to say hi to one of their heroes? Yes. But who is to know it wasn't a Mark David Chapman type? As someone whose done security for various celebrity events, let me assure you people like this are frighteningly common. Being overly cautious is always the right course of action.
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Post by Helmut83 on Aug 17, 2018 5:39:47 GMT
The kid went as far as going to Jeff's house if that tells you anything. And? Did you never have someone going "as far as" ringing your bell? As I see it, Jeff Lynne acts as if he were an incredibly solicited celebrity when I really don't even think he could be catalogued as a celebrity anymore these days. I went all across the United Kingdom getting asked several times a day why I was there and when I told them I was there to attend a concert of Jeff Lynne from the Electric Light Orchestra, at least 80% of them didn't even know what I was talking about. And that's the country where Jeff Lynne is most popular, from there on it's downwards. So I'd understand a few things coming from guys who cannot get out of their houses without getting constantly harrassed by an avalanche of fans, but that seems far from being Jeff Lynne's case nowadays. It's Jeff Lynne, it's not Paul McCartney. And even Paul McCartney acts way more kindly than him.
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Post by Helmut83 on Aug 17, 2018 5:43:04 GMT
Don't be alarmed. Much more was made of it than should have been. The kid went as far as going to Jeff's house if that tells you anything. Yea, you can't just go ringing someone's gate without permission like that. Were the two kids just fans looking to say hi to one of their heroes? Yes. But who is to know it wasn't a Mark David Chapman type? As someone whose done security for various celebrity events, let me assure you people like this are frighteningly common. Being overly cautious is always the right course of action. You tell your security man "Johnny, see what they want, tell them that I love them very much and send them away the most politely you can"... "what? They are trying to give you a CD? OK, catch it, tell them that I'm going to listen it to it and tell them goodbye". It's as easy as that if you are minimally classy. He didn't even need to expose himself.
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Post by Chippa on Aug 17, 2018 5:49:43 GMT
Yea, you can't just go ringing someone's gate without permission like that. Were the two kids just fans looking to say hi to one of their heroes? Yes. But who is to know it wasn't a Mark David Chapman type? As someone whose done security for various celebrity events, let me assure you people like this are frighteningly common. Being overly cautious is always the right course of action. You tell your security man "Johnny, see what they want, tell them that I love them very much and send them away the most politely you can"... "what? They are trying to give you a CD? OK, catch it, tell them that I'm going to listen it to it and tell them goodbye". It's as easy as that if you are minimally classy. Ok, but then you listen to their CD of original music, and happen to write a song that may use the same chord progression, and BAM! plagiarism lawsuit. It's happened before,which is why artists won't accept unsolicited demos and songs. Trust me, I know what I'm talking about here. Don't believe me? Take it from some industry insiders... blog.sonicbids.com/what-no-unsolicited-material-means-and-why-you-should-take-it-seriously
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Post by Helmut83 on Aug 17, 2018 16:53:42 GMT
You tell your security man "Johnny, see what they want, tell them that I love them very much and send them away the most politely you can"... "what? They are trying to give you a CD? OK, catch it, tell them that I'm going to listen it to it and tell them goodbye". It's as easy as that if you are minimally classy. Ok, but then you listen to their CD of original music, and happen to write a song that may use the same chord progression, and BAM! plagiarism lawsuit. It's happened before,which is why artists won't accept unsolicited demos and songs. Trust me, I know what I'm talking about here. Don't believe me? Take it from some industry insiders... I never said I didn't belive you. There are indeed cases of this kind of lawsuit, just as there are cases of Mark David Chapmans (not many). What I'm saying is that Jeff Lynne didn't even need to listen to their CD. With telling them (or sending his security guy to tell them) that he would listen to it and thank you the kids would probably have gone away with a completely different feeling.
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Post by tightrope on Aug 17, 2018 20:30:47 GMT
Ok, but then you listen to their CD of original music, and happen to write a song that may use the same chord progression, and BAM! plagiarism lawsuit. It's happened before,which is why artists won't accept unsolicited demos and songs. Trust me, I know what I'm talking about here. Don't believe me? Take it from some industry insiders... I never said I didn't belive you. There are indeed cases of this kind of lawsuit, just as there are cases of Mark David Chapmans (not many). What I'm saying is that Jeff Lynne didn't even need to listen to their CD. With telling them (or sending his security guy to tell them) that he would listen to it and thank you the kids would probably have gone away with a completely different feeling. If he told them he'd listen to it then he may as well which would be foolish. Everyone knows Jeff is reclusive. At the time this happened he was putting together 3 albums and we all know he works at home. I think he was also busy planning the comeback we have enjoyed. As far as the boys, I chalk it up to a youthful mistake. As far as the parent taking it to a website to vent, thats losing an opportunity to teach a son the right thing to do. They instead chose to get their feelings hurt.
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Post by elophile on Aug 17, 2018 20:52:07 GMT
I never said I didn't belive you. There are indeed cases of this kind of lawsuit, just as there are cases of Mark David Chapmans (not many). What I'm saying is that Jeff Lynne didn't even need to listen to their CD. With telling them (or sending his security guy to tell them) that he would listen to it and thank you the kids would probably have gone away with a completely different feeling. If he told them he'd listen to it then he may as well which would be foolish. Everyone knows Jeff is reclusive. At the time this happened he was putting together 3 albums and we all know he works at home. I think he was also busy planning the comeback we have enjoyed. As far as the boys, I chalk it up to a youthful mistake. As far as the parent taking it to a website to vent, thats losing an opportunity to teach a son the right thing to do. They instead chose to get their feelings hurt. [ I agree tightrope the boys didn't mean any harm but Jeff deserves his privacy. As far as the incident where Jeff wouldn't sign a "fan's" guitar that Helmut83 referred to - if I remember right that "fan" was a professional autograph hound and those guys are aggressive scumbags.
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Post by Helmut83 on Aug 17, 2018 21:39:42 GMT
As far as the incident where Jeff wouldn't sign a "fan's" guitar that Helmut83 referred to - if I remember right that "fan" was a professional autograph hound and those guys are aggressive scumbags. elophile , someone on the thread threw that theory with no backing whatsoever and everyone grabbed themselves from it like a lifeline. The guy hadn't behaved like an aggresive scumbag at all, he asked him for an autograph very politely. What stands out clearly to me is that the mere possibility of Jeff Lynne being a dick gets the big flock of fans uptight. It seems too hard for fans to accept the fact that their musical idol could not be the wonderful person they've always thought he must be. It's as if they kept covering their ears and eyes while repeating loudly "Jeffy is good, Jeffy is good, Jeffy is good". Just look at all the attempts to twist things the other way round. Jeff Lynne is approached by one single fan who asks him politely if he could please sign his guitar, Jeff Lynne doesn't bother and goes on walking as if the guy didn't exist and the interpretation that you make on here (and it was you this time but most everyone else does the same) is that the guy is an aggressive scumbag. I can't agree with that interpretation, my admiration for Jeff Lynne runs through separate channels and it doesn't make me blind to what I see about him. I don't feel the need to turn things around in order to find a justification or someone else to blame for every bad movement he makes. I can live with the fact that he might be a jerk, as so many of his actions seem to suggest, so I don't agree with your opinion that the guy asking him for an autograph was the one who acted badly there.
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Post by eloneen on Aug 17, 2018 21:53:00 GMT
Helmut83 OK, here's my take on this, even though I said a year ago I was done discussing it... I am absolutely willing to accept that Jeff AND/OR the guy asking for the guitar autograph AND/OR the kids wanting to drop off their CD might not be very nice people. I don't know any of them personally, and that is not the basis of my position. What I can say, though, is that JL has a right to his privacy, and fans do not have the right to expect spontaneous contact with him or any other celebrity. It has nothing to do with my regard for him or any evaluation I might make regarding his character. I just think it's a matter of respect and decency to let the man have space to enjoy some peace in his personal life. Letting fans have access whenever THEY want contact is no way to live, even for a famous person who seeks the fame.
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Post by Helmut83 on Aug 17, 2018 22:01:44 GMT
Helmut83 OK, here's my take on this, even though I said a year ago I was done discussing it... I am absolutely willing to accept that Jeff AND/OR the guy asking for the guitar autograph AND/OR the kids wanting to drop off their CD might not be very nice people. I don't know any of them personally, and that is not the basis of my position. What I can say, though, is that JL has a right to his privacy, and fans do not have the right to expect spontaneous contact with him or any other celebrity. It has nothing to do with my regard for him or any evaluation I might of his character. I just think it's a matter of respect and decency to let the man have space to enjoy some peace in his personal life. Letting fans have access whenever THEY want contact is no way to live, even for a famous person who seeks the fame. I agree with that, eloneen . Yes, the kids ringing the bell at his house is not the ideal situation (although I insist if it happens once in a long while you can deal with it in a classier way, I get my bell rang all the time by people asking for things and I don't tell them off like dogs) and yes, he deserves his privacy, even in spite of the branch of the business he's at. However, as far as I can remember, when the guitar thing happened, that time he was arriving at a radio station where he was going to get interviewed to promote his US tour. That should not be expected to be the pinnacle of privacy. On the contrary, promoting yourself is trying to make yourself and your material go as public as possible. Normally when big artists get to a radio there are fans waiting for them there and they typically sign a few autographs. And on top of everything, it was only one fan who approached him. So you want to promote your concerts and you want fans to fill up stadiums but you are not willing to get in contact with just one fan for about 5 seconds?
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Post by elophile on Aug 17, 2018 22:11:30 GMT
As far as the incident where Jeff wouldn't sign a "fan's" guitar that Helmut83 referred to - if I remember right that "fan" was a professional autograph hound and those guys are aggressive scumbags. elophile , someone on the thread threw that theory with no backing whatsoever and everyone grabbed themselves from it like a lifeline. The guy hadn't behaved like an aggresive scumbag at all, he asked him for an autograph very politely. It was me who threw that theory out and it's correct. I don't need any backing and everyone grabbed onto it because they could see for themselves that it was true. The man in the video was a professional autograph hound. He didn't give a crap about Jeff or his music. That little pleading thing he did is what they do. They're aggressive leeches. Like I said in the first thread they congregated where I was waiting to meet Jeff outside the Radio City show in NY and I've seen other videos of them on youtube. They've got a certain look and I think that guy was one. I could tell he was one the same way if I saw a fish swimming I could tell it was a fish. Oh, also. I think Jeff has been advised not to sign stuff for those people anymore - only for fans because Jeff's signature is worthless from signing too much stuff that gets resold. Take a look on Ebay for proof.
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