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Post by Helmut83 on May 3, 2018 17:30:35 GMT
tightrope: thanks for your opinions, but man, judging by what you say in them it would look like you get scared very easily! Everything seems to be "creepy" to you.
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Post by Helmut83 on May 3, 2018 17:38:13 GMT
I'm more on the "let it be" side. I mean, the technology that forms a hologram is still something beyond belief for me and I can't help but marvel at it. As for the use it's given in this case, is it really that different from projecting a film where Roy Orbison was alive?
I'm not sure I would attend such a show, but in the least of cases it's awesome to have this technology and the possibilities it allows. And it works OK for many people, so why not?
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Post by tightrope on May 3, 2018 22:06:25 GMT
tightrope : thanks for your opinions, but man, judging by what you say in them it would look like you get scared very easily! Everything seems to be "creepy" to you. This thread is creeping me out!
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Post by unomusette on May 3, 2018 22:10:32 GMT
I quite like Elvis impersonators, but mostly the ones who do him in his later years with the enormous quiff and the sparkly jumpsuits. But then I am quite shallow and easily impressed by sparkly things
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Post by BSJ on May 3, 2018 23:32:28 GMT
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Post by Helmut83 on May 3, 2018 23:57:37 GMT
But then I am quite shallow and easily impressed by sparkly things Anyone who has received a letter from you knows that (no, no that you are shallow! I meant the other part).
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Post by queenofthehours on May 4, 2018 16:12:09 GMT
I'm more on the "let it be" side. I mean, the technology that forms a hologram is still something beyond belief for me and I can't help but marvel at it. As for the use it's given in this case, is it really that different from projecting a film where Roy Orbison was alive? I'm not sure I would attend such a show, but in the least of cases it's awesome to have this technology and the possibilities it allows. And it works OK for many people, so why not? I agree with the fact that it's not much different from projecting a film. I never thought about it like that before but it's true. However, going to see the holo-Roy will cost a very lot more money than a cinema ticket. I just don't think the people who are behind this kind of thing are doing it for entertainment or technological purposes but just to make money. It's like shooting fish in a barrel, especially with a holo-ABBA. The people behind the technology already know they will sell tickets for that show, they have to prove nothing.
And if it is the same as a movie, why even bother spending thousands on something which has the same end?
I think the reason why I have an issue with the whole holo thing is because it's a gimmick designed to get money from fans rather than something warm and fuzzy like a tribute act. It feels too much like a live version of the endless moneymaking compilation albums that are brought out every year.
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Post by Helmut83 on May 4, 2018 18:09:46 GMT
I agree with the fact that it's not much different from projecting a film. I never thought about it like that before but it's true. However, going to see the holo-Roy will cost a very lot more money than a cinema ticket. I just don't think the people who are behind this kind of thing are doing it for entertainment or technological purposes but just to make money. It's like shooting fish in a barrel, especially with a holo-ABBA. The people behind the technology already know they will sell tickets for that show, they have to prove nothing.
And if it is the same as a movie, why even bother spending thousands on something which has the same end?
I think the reason why I have an issue with the whole holo thing is because it's a gimmick designed to get money from fans rather than something warm and fuzzy like a tribute act. It feels too much like a live version of the endless moneymaking compilation albums that are brought out every year. Not meaning to take a shot at you, my Northern friend; you know how much I appreciate you and respect your opinions, but let me ask you: do you work for free? I'm sure the answer is "no". So then comes another question: does that mean you are a moneymaking machine who couldn't care less about her job as long as she gets paid? I'm sure the answer is another "no", that you have a certain commitment and interest in your job that goes beyond money. Then, should you do it for free or for cheap? No, I don't think so! Why? You are investing your time and energy in it, and regardless of the passion you might have for your job, it's fair that you get paid. Why do you see the holograms shows any different? They invested a lot of money (that technology isn't cheap) and a lot of effort (it isn't easy to develop). Now they are offering the results of that effort to whoever wants to pay for them. And it doesn't mean all they care about is money: there's lots of ways of making money, and there's probably more profitable and/or less risky activities to invest in. I'm sure the people behind that chose to do that because they are passionate about technology and holograms, and surely big fans of Roy Orbison too. Does that mean their idea didn't involve making money? I don't think so, I think they did the whole project with earning money in their minds, among other things. Is that a sin? I don't see it that way. Money moves the world. Behind every show you see there's an intention of making money. There was an intention of making money behind the two Jeff Lynne concerts you attended. Does that mean Jeff Lynne is a moneymaker? It's a mix: he wants to make as much money as possible -same as every single human being on Earth- but he also does it because he's passionate about it. Again, I don't see the holograms shows any different. Summing up, you might like or not like the show, you might find it creepy (like our friend tightrope ), sacrilegous or whatever, but at this point in our lives I think this accusation of "moneymaking" is too shallow, basic and too much a commonplace / easy cliche to keep falling on it, particularly someone as smart as you.
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Post by queenofthehours on May 6, 2018 16:52:53 GMT
I agree with the fact that it's not much different from projecting a film. I never thought about it like that before but it's true. However, going to see the holo-Roy will cost a very lot more money than a cinema ticket. I just don't think the people who are behind this kind of thing are doing it for entertainment or technological purposes but just to make money. It's like shooting fish in a barrel, especially with a holo-ABBA. The people behind the technology already know they will sell tickets for that show, they have to prove nothing.
And if it is the same as a movie, why even bother spending thousands on something which has the same end?
I think the reason why I have an issue with the whole holo thing is because it's a gimmick designed to get money from fans rather than something warm and fuzzy like a tribute act. It feels too much like a live version of the endless moneymaking compilation albums that are brought out every year. Not meaning to take a shot at you, my Northern friend; you know how much I appreciate you and respect your opinions, but let me ask you: do you work for free? I'm sure the answer is "no". So then comes another question: does that mean you are a moneymaking machine who couldn't care less about her job as long as she gets paid? I'm sure the answer is another "no", that you have a certain commitment and interest in your job that goes beyond money. Then, should you do it for free or for cheap? No, I don't think so! Why? You are investing your time and energy in it, and regardless of the passion you might have for your job, it's fair that you get paid. Why do you see the holograms shows any different? They invested a lot of money (that technology isn't cheap) and a lot of effort (it isn't easy to develop). Now they are offering the results of that effort to whoever wants to pay for them. And it doesn't mean all they care about is money: there's lots of ways of making money, and there's probably more profitable and/or less risky activities to invest in. I'm sure the people behind that chose to do that because they are passionate about technology and holograms, and surely big fans of Roy Orbison too. Does that mean their idea didn't involve making money? I don't think so, I think they did the whole project with earning money in their minds, among other things. Is that a sin? I don't see it that way. Money moves the world. Behind every show you see there's an intention of making money. There was an intention of making money behind the two Jeff Lynne concerts you attended. Does that mean Jeff Lynne is a moneymaker? It's a mix: he wants to make as much money as possible -same as every single human being on Earth- but he also does it because he's passionate about it. Again, I don't see the holograms shows any different. Summing up, you might like or not like the show, you might find it creepy (like our friend tightrope ), sacrilegous or whatever, but at this point in our lives I think this accusation of "moneymaking" is too shallow, basic and too much a commonplace / easy cliche to keep falling on it, particularly someone as smart as you. While I agree with what you've said I still believe there's more thought gone into financial gain with these hologram musical shows than respect for the artists. I'm all for people making money but when it comes to making it out of those no longer with us I think there should be more sensitivity in it.
Maybe moneymaking is a bit too cliché but it's the only word I could think of to describe the kind of practice where there's a known captive audience who will easily pay out for anything to do with their favourite stars so the people behind the product have no reason to care, they just think "oh, they'll buy anything with their favourite groups' names on it". An ABBA or Roy hologram or a new ELO compilation are three such things that will be pretty much be guaranteed to sell even before they are available and the hologram Roy show is very expensive for a night out without the man in question actually being there but fans will pay. I'm not saying a hologram show is as bad as sloppy merchandise or that the people behind it don't care but despite the technology I think the cost should reflect the lack of Roy's presence to show they are respectful of his name.
I've never been a fan of holograms and always thought them creepy but I don't actually have an issue with a hologram ABBA and the money issue doesn't bother me here. An ABBA show would be quite fun (creepy fun though) because that would be a celebration not a reincarnation. It's the holograms of people no longer with us that bothers me because it upsets me, even just seeing the clips and pictures of a show. I know the people behind the Roy show must have some respect for him in order to do it in the first place but seeing Roy "alive" when he's not and being such a fan is quite upsetting and unless I'm just extremely sensitive maybe other fans will feel the same and making people feel sad is not really very respectful. There is also a Ronnie James Dio hologram which upset me even more when I saw pictures of it but that's because he hasn't been gone long.
Maybe I'm mixing the creepiness up with emotion, I probably am, but I don't know how to set them apart other than by going to see one of these shows. Maybe it won't be creepy in real life but that remains to be discovered and I'm quite prepared to say I thought wrong as I did with tribute acts.
This maybe not how others see it but it's what I think (for now).
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Post by Helmut83 on May 7, 2018 1:38:29 GMT
Fair enough, queenofthehours, seeing your point expressed more in detail here I understand it better. Still, I refuse to embrace the concept of a captive audience. I totally get what you mean, the fans that feel that to be a true fan they should buy every single item and attend every single related show there is. But they aren't really captive, they always had and will have a choice: not to buy, not to consume, etc... If they choose to keep on paying for it it's because they feel what they are getting is worth the money they are paying. Or, if you want to see it the other way, they chose to keep on being captive. And you are right, the emotional aspect plays a role on how you see these things. While I admire Roy Orbison, I am not such a big fan as you are, maybe that's why this doesn't strike me as something not sensitive enough: because they are not getting their hands on something that's so dear to me. Maybe the day Roxette's two main members are no longer with us and they make holograms of them I'll go out and burn the whole theater down, who knows? By the way, we played "Go, go, go (down the line)" last Friday with my band. Next time I'll try to record it and upload it (no holograms were involved ).
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Post by orioles70 on Aug 13, 2021 15:25:33 GMT
Buddy Holly has joined Roy on the Holodeck
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Post by nickheynes on Sept 7, 2021 9:22:36 GMT
So I've dove in to the holo/ABBATAR world and bought tickets to ABBA Voyage next May. I've not seen any shows like this before and am going in the main for curiosity. My daughter is a big Abba fan and suggested we go. The tickets were £50 so perhaps a quite a bit cheaper than going to see a "real" performer. I wouldn't have been prepared to spend much more. I believe that it was in excess of £100 to see Diana Ross at the o2 and that was for seats up in the gods! I wouldn't have paid that either. They're being quite careful about saying that they're not holograms in the traditional sense ( who ever would have thought that the words "traditional" and "hologram" would be used together!) involved, It's motion capture of ABBA and obviously all four members are still with us. Here's a thought tho'. Elvis , Roy, buddy ( I know he had the crickets but hear me out) were solo performers. ABBA is a band, this show could go on for ever. It's being played in a purpose built arena. what happens when one of them dies? They're all in their 70's. Is the show going to carry on? That is a creepy thought to me!
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Post by unomusette on Sept 9, 2021 21:09:22 GMT
I've not seen a lot of detail about this but aren't the ABBATARs going to be of them in their youth? Personally I'd like to see them as they are now, they've all aged pretty well so why try and pretend they are preserved as younger versions? But if the ticket prices are reasonable it seems like an interesting night out, looking forward to reading your review nickheynes
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Post by BSJ on Sept 12, 2021 19:50:39 GMT
Agree with me twin, looking forward to your review, too.
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Post by nickheynes on Sept 23, 2021 12:22:23 GMT
I Hope the "ABBAtars" are better than this!!
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